Season 10, Episode 14

Your comprehension questions answered, with Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, returning guest Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D., joins Susan Lambert to close out the season by answering thoughtful and thought-provoking comprehension questions submitted by listeners. Nathaniel and Susan answer questions about comprehension strategies, the relationship between comprehension and memorization, and how to shift the mindset among your teaching colleagues to help them understand comprehension.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

Nathaniel Swain is a Teacher, Instructional Coach, and Writer. He produces a blog for teachers called Dr. Swain’s Cognitorium and is cohost of the Chalk Dust Podcast with Rebecca Birch. Nathaniel works directly with schools and systems through an online learning platform called Luminary.

He founded a community of educators committed to the Science of Learning: Think Forward Educators. He also has a best-selling book, Harnessing the Science of Learning: Success Stories to Help Kickstart Your School Improvement.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“What we’re trying to do is create meaningful text experiences. … The strategies are background, the powerhouse behind the work we’re doing, but the star of the show is the language and the text.”

—Nathaniel Swain

“Humans are geared, whenever they’re encountering language or knowledge, to try and make meaningful connections. Depending on what they’re already thinking about or what they already know, they’re actually going to come to that text with a very different starting point.”

—Nathaniel Swain

“If you ever feel like your comprehension work only allows students to produce or perform something on a particular day in which you’ve just read that text, then you may be missing the opportunity to weave meaningful text together.”

—Nathaniel Swain

“The problem with treating language as if it’s just a set of tick boxes that you can just tick off, is that students need a meaningful reason to hold on to that language. They have to use it or they’ll lose it.”

—Nathaniel Swain

“If you worry so much about which strategy to use and therefore reduce the amount of text exposure to just short paragraphs to practice that strategy, then I think you might miss out on the opportunity to build up that text representation.”

—Nathaniel Swain

“When we’re teaching reading comprehension, really let the text be the center of what we’re doing.”

—Susan Lambert

Season 10, Episode 13

Building blocks for deep comprehension, with Susan Lambert

Host Susan Lambert hits the home stretch of her comprehension-focused season of Science of Reading: The Podcast with a reflective episode based on her presentation at this year's Plain Talk About Literacy and Learning conference. Instead of being joined by a guest, Susan breaks down some of her biggest takeaways from this season—explaining how reading comprehension is far more intricate than the ability to decode words on a page, and detailing how the expert guests this season helped illustrate all of comprehension's amazing complexities. Whether you hear her Plain Talk conversation live or not, this episode captures those same insights in a format you can revisit anytime.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Comprehension is an active process. It actually requires active engagement and effort from the reader.”

—Susan Lambert

“Comprehension is an integration of knowledge and experience that requires the reader to connect new information from the text with their own knowledge and experiences.”

—Susan Lambert

“Comprehension is dynamic and ongoing. It requires the reader to update and revise their understanding as new information is encountered.”

—Susan Lambert

“What constitutes good comprehension is relative, and it depends on who is reading the text and why they're reading it.”

—Susan Lambert

“The components of comprehension don't develop in isolation. They bootstrap and support each other throughout a reader's development.”

—Susan Lambert

Season 10, Episode 12

Filling in the gaps with inferences, with Kristen McMaster, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Kristen McMaster, Ph.D., Guy Bond Chair in Reading and professor of special education in the Department of Educational Psychology at University of Minnesota. Together, they explore how reading comprehension isn’t just about what’s on the page—it’s also about what’s not there—and share practical insights on how to support students in developing inference skills. Susan and Kristen also discuss the dual processes of activation and integration when making inferences; the distinction between teaching students to process text actively versus teaching students to apply comprehension strategies; and different types of inferences, including causal, bridging, and elaborative.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Kristen McMaster

Kristen McMaster, Ph.D., is the Guy Bond Chair in Reading and professor of special education in the Department of Educational Psychology, University of Minnesota (UMN). She was a special education teacher in Metropolitan Nashville Public Schools before earning her doctoral degree from Vanderbilt University and joining the UMN faculty in 2002. Her research focuses on developing reading and writing assessments and interventions, and supports teachers’ use of data to individualize instruction. She has extensive experience providing professional development to practitioners and consulting with researchers and policymakers in Minnesota as well as nationally and internationally.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Inferencing is really central to comprehension. We wouldn't comprehend if we didn't make inferences.”

—Kristen McMaster

“I would just encourage teachers not to underestimate the importance of supporting even the inferences that might seem obvious to us.”

—Kristen McMaster

“Very broadly speaking, comprehension is how we make sense of the world around us. We're constantly taking in information. We see things; we watch things; we hear things; we read things. And as that information comes in, we are constantly integrating it with what we already know.”

—Kristen McMaster

“Good comprehenders are often making very automatic inferences that they don't even realize.”

—Kristen McMaster

“It helps to explicitly teach what an inference is in language that students will understand.”

—Kristen McMaster

“It can be much more helpful to ask questions during text if you want to influence that mental picture that the child is building. If you wait until after they've read the text, they've already built that representation and it may or may not be quite what you were hoping they would build.”

—Kristen McMaster

Season 10, Episode 11

Learning to read vs. reading to learn, with Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D., distinguished professor emeritus from the University of Illinois at Chicago, joins Susan Lambert to distinguish between reading comprehension, learning from a text, and the process of learning to read. He compares learning to read with athletic training, explaining that just as athletes need to vary their workout intensities to maximize their strength, students need to vary their text difficulty to maximize their comprehension, reading skills, and overall learning. Together, Timothy and Susan also discuss why reading comprehension is an ethical act and the power of simply rereading to increase comprehension.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D.

Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D., is distinguished professor emeritus at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Prior to this work, he served as director of reading for Chicago Public Schools and was a visiting professor at Queens University in Belfast, Northern Ireland. He has written and edited more than 300 publications, including his book Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives: How Students’ Reading Achievement Has Been Held Back and What We Can Do About It. He is also a former president of the International Literacy Association and served on the National Institute for Literacy Advisory Board under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He was inducted to the Reading Hall of Fame in 2007 and is a former first-grade teacher.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“ We're trying to teach kids to read, and a text that is immediately comprehensible leaves you very little to learn.”

—Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D.

“You can increase the learning for most people if you increase the difficulty, because people have to think about it more. They have to work.”

—Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D.

“Reading comprehension is not just a psychological or cognitive action—it's an ethical action.”

—Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D.

“We should be teaching kids with more challenging texts than we have been.”

—Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D.

“Athletes don't do all of their training at peak levels of difficulty; they work up to those.”

—Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D.

Season 10, Special episode

Cultivating critical thinkers in your classroom, starring Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D.

We’re excited to share a special episode from our friends at our sister podcast, Beyond My Years.

Host Ana Torres is joined by nationally recognized educational consultant and thought leader Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D., to discuss what critical thinking is and how to help students develop it. In addition to explaining why critical thinking is crucial for long-term academic success, Mitchell also gives educators four clear steps that they can implement to effectively nurture critical thinking skills in their classrooms. Ana is then joined by Beyond My Years' Classroom Insider extraordinaire Eric Cross, who discusses how he encourages his students to hone their critical thinking skills in class.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D.

Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D., has over 20 years of experience in K–12 as a teacher, coach, administrator, district leader, and thought leader. As a school administrator, he achieved impressive gains, including raising DIBELS® scores from 43% to 72%. He has spoken at top literacy events, including Amplify’s symposia, the Black Literacy Matters Conference, the Dyslexia Alliance for Black Children annual conference, and others. He leads a citywide fellowship supporting 25 literacy leaders in New Orleans, and serves as Managing Director of Leading Educators. He also serves on the Board of Directors for The Reading League. He holds a B.A. in elementary education, an M.A. in teacher leadership, and a Ph.D. in educational administration.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“When you are a school administrator, you can't be confused as to what your identity is. People expect you to step in with voice, with passion, with vision, and direct the path.”

—Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D.

“When we talk about knowledge building, when we talk about knowledge acquisition, it's actually predicated on critical thinking. That critical thinking  thinking is not just a higher-level task that we have kids do. It's deep thinking.”

—Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D.

“[Critical thinking] is actually cognitive support. It's a mental act of process in which you acquire knowledge and understanding.”

—Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D.

“During academic discussion, I'm not expecting the teacher to be quiet. I'm expecting the teacher to orchestrate thinking, to hold the pacing of the discussion. You know when to slow the class down, and let them think about this critical idea. You know when to ask that probing question that makes kids think, ‘Hmm.’ I'm looking for those discourse moves that teachers make.”

—Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D.

“When I see questioning that really probes, that's how I know I'm in a classroom where a teacher honors students' thinking. It is an honor to hear what children have to think.”

—Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D.

“That's how you know you're in a classroom with critical thinking: We're not rushing the conversation. We're enjoying it.”

—Mitchell Brookins, Ph.D.

“There's an art and science to teaching, and I think that they're two different things.”

—Eric Cross

“The importance of modeling can’t be overstated.”

—Ana Torres

“If we want to get to these higher levels of rigor or higher levels of thinking, that has to be built on a foundation. And when we connect that to something meaningful, the knowledge and the learning get deeper.”

—Eric Cross

“If you're engaged emotionally, that's going to help you be engaged cognitively.”

—Eric Cross

Season 10, Episode 10

From talk to text: How language skills shape reading success, with Charles Hulme, D.Phil., and MaryKate DeSantis

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by emeritus professor of psychology and education at the University of Oxford, Charles Hulme, D.Phil.; and founder of Left Side Strong LLC, MaryKate DeSantis. They dive deep into the critical connection between oral language development and reading comprehension. Together, they also explore exactly what oral language development is, how to screen children for deficits in oral language abilities, and the most effective strategies educators can use for intervention.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Charles Hulme, D.Phil.

Charles Hulme is emeritus professor of psychology and education at the University of Oxford. He has broad research interests in reading, language, and memory processes and their development; and is an expert on randomized controlled trials in education. He has published widely and is in the top 2% for citations of all researchers in the field of education. He holds an honorary doctorate from the University of Oslo (2014) and is a member of Academia Europea and a Fellow of the Academy of Social Sciences. He was also elected a Fellow of the British Academy in 2017.

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MaryKate DeSantis

MaryKate DeSantis is the founder of Left Side Strong LLC. Her experience working in a large urban school district as a special education teacher, reading specialist, and district-wide literacy coach has fueled her passion for translational research to ensure that all children receive evidence-based instruction. Her background in teaching reading sparked an interest in researching language, literacy, and developmental trajectories. She is a full-time faculty member in the Speech and Language Literacy Lab at MGH Institute of Health Professions, and is also an ongoing-research collaborator with the BRIDGES Lab at the Harvard Graduate School of Education.

She has also served as a clinician in the Neurology Department at Boston Children’s Hospital, is an adjunct professor at the Boston College Lynch School of Human Development, and is a Ph.D. student in educational psychology at the University of Connecticut.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Reading comprehension is the process of taking the meaning from printed symbols on a page and translating them into a linguistic and cognitive code. It's making contact with the processes of language comprehension.”

—Charles Hulme, D.Phil.

“Language comprehension is really what leads us to reading comprehension.”

—MaryKate DeSantis

“We've got to start from the premise that reading is language. Without language, there would be no reading. Reading is a process that involves taking language in its written form and translating it back into its original form, which is spoken language.”

—Charles Hulme, D.Phil.

“If we go back in development, language skills appear to form the foundation for the ability to decode print, as well as the foundation for the ability to understand what is decoded.”

—Charles Hulme, D.Phil.

“Language skills are unconstrained, meaning the sky's the limit. As long as you continue to engage in any sort of way, your language skills can continue to develop throughout your lifetime.”

—Susan Lambert

“We talk about learning to read, but we also need to talk about reading to learn. A lot of what we learn in our lives is through reading, and reading is certainly a powerful driver of vocabulary and language development.”

—Charles Hulme, D.Phil.

“Focusing on language is worth the time. …  When we treat it as foundational, that's when we will give more students access to success.”

—MaryKate DeSantis

“If we want better readers, we have to grow better language users.”

—MaryKate DeSantis

Season 10, Episode 9

From research to reality: Breaking down comprehension barriers, with Phil Capin, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Phil Capin, Ph.D., assistant professor of education at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. They explore why recommended reading comprehension practices aren’t widely implemented in schools, and what educators can do to change that. Together, they also discuss how knowledge building is foundational to reading comprehension; how writing is a powerful tool in supporting reading comprehension; and why we should structure reading instruction based on what happens before, during, and after reading.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Phil Capin, Ph.D.

Phil Capin, Ph.D., is an assistant professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. His research focuses on understanding differences in reading development and developing and evaluating the impact of instructional practices, primarily for those with reading difficulties. Supported by the grant from the Institute of Education Sciences and the National Institutes of Health, Capin has conducted randomized control trials examining instructional approaches for improvising reading opportunities and outcomes for students with reading difficulties in K–2 settings. As a former teacher, a primary goal of his work is to meaningfully address challenges faced by educators.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Instead of asking, ‘What do you know about a topic?,' I would start with building their knowledge.”

—Phil Capin, Ph.D.

“We've underestimated the value of writing in supporting reading comprehension.”

—Phil Capin, Ph.D.

“Reading and writing rely on a lot of the same language processes, and writing supports the consolidation of knowledge.”

—Phil Capin, Ph.D.

“When I think of high-quality reading comprehension instruction, I think of before, during, and after.”

—Phil Capin, Ph.D.

“Reading comprehension is the byproduct of a constellation of competencies that are interrelated: your ability to read words, your knowledge of words, and your background knowledge on the topic of the text.”

—Phil Capin, Ph.D.

“Students should engage with meaningful problems, and they should have a reason for learning.”

—Phil Capin, Ph.D.

“It's really important that we help students to develop those foundational literacy skills, because it is just a fact that if you can't read the words, you're not going to understand the text.”

—Phil Capin, Ph.D.

“Reading comprehension will vary based on the knowledge you bring to the task, your interest in it, and your purpose for reading.”

—Phil Capin, Ph.D.

Season 10, Episode 8

Beyond decoding: The power of syntax, with Nancy Chapel Eberhardt

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by educational consultant Nancy Chapel Eberhardt, who explains why focusing on syntax at the sentence level is just as important for comprehension as word-level decoding. Together, Nancy and Susan also discuss how syntax helps students process meaning while reading, why we should start early and teach syntax to students from the beginning, and a more functional approach to teaching syntax.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Nancy Chapel Eberhardt

Nancy Chapel Eberdardt is an educational consultant with extensive experience as a resource teacher, special education administrator, and professional development provider. In addition to co-authoring a number of popular literacy programs, she also serves as co-editor-in-chief of the International Dyslexia Association’s publication Perspectives on Language and Literacy. Nancy is a lifelong advocate for preventing reading underachievement by supporting teachers with professional development and evidence-based resources.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Syntax is somewhere between the individual words and the meaning of the text. It’s the processing piece that’s going on there.”

—Nancy Chapel Eberhardt

“One of the biggest ways that syntactic knowledge can help us with our reading comprehension is through this parsing of the language, which is basically helping us with prosody. And we know that prosody will help us with our fluency with reading.”

—Nancy Chapel Eberhardt

“I would encourage teachers to start teaching this by thinking about the most essential building block. ‘I need to build a sentence. I need two parts. I need a who or what, and I need a did what, or I need a noun and I need a verb.’”

—Nancy Chapel Eberhardt

“Every language has a syntax, meaning a set of rules within this language that has to do with how we develop thought units. A sentence is a thought unit. So, if we think about syntax as being sentence-level structures in our language, that's one helpful way to think about it.”

—Nancy Chapel Eberhardt

“Syntax isn't just for older kids anymore. Syntax is really something that we can start promoting, developing, encouraging, embracing from the beginning.”

—Nancy Chapel Eberhardt

“I actually think that as teachers embrace this idea of syntax, they're going to have a lot of fun with it. It's way more fun to talk about the meanings of words than to just decode them.”

—Nancy Chapel Eberhardt

Season 10, Episode 7

Syntax and comprehension, with Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by research scientist and professor Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D., who explains why syntax instruction may be the missing piece in our mission to improve comprehension outcomes for all students. Together, Julie and Susan discuss why syntax is the part of the language system that matters for comprehension, how the same systematicity and rule governance that you find in teaching phonics also exists in syntax, and how explicit syntax instruction could be the next breakthrough in evidence-based literacy education.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D., holds joint appointments as an associate research professor at the Institute for Brain and Cognitive Sciences at the University of Connecticut; clinical assistant professor at the Yale University Child Study Center; and research scientist at the Yale-UConn Haskins Global Literacy Hub. She is also Chief Scientist at Cascade Reading. Previously, she served as a senior scientist at Haskins Laboratories for 22 years. Her deep dedication to improving reading outcomes for all children is fueled daily by her experience as the parent of a child with dyslexia, developmental language disability, dyscalculia, ADHD, and autism.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“In English, syntax is word order. Syntax is the relationship between the entities in a sentence.”

—Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

“If you want to increase comprehension, you need to be explicit in syntax because that's the part of the language system that matters for comprehension.”

—Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

“Comprehension is the glue between the words. It's the process of gluing the words together, each word as you go.”

—Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

“The process itself [of comprehension] is the moment by moment, really millisecond by millisecond action of gluing words together in order to create a meaning.”

—Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

“We need to move the needle on the nation's report card.  We still have two-thirds of our students who are unable to read at what we call proficient. I think the only way that we can really get that number to be closer to the 95% that we really want is to do something new. Syntax is the new thing.”

—Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

“If somebody knew how beautiful and systematic the language was, I think you would have people rushing when they wake up to go study syntax.”

—Julie Van Dyke, Ph.D.

Season 10, Episode 6

Understanding assessment, with Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan is joined by Affiliated Distinguished Scholar at the Stern Center for Language and Learning, Melissa Farrall, Ph.D., to discuss understanding assessment. Melissa explains exactly why it’s beneficial for every educator to understand the fundamentals of assessment, especially comprehension assessment. Together, Melissa and Susan discuss the relationship between reading comprehension and language comprehension, why reading comprehension can be challenging to assess, and how, in a perfect world, educators would be trained both in the Science of Reading and in assessment.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.

Melissa Farrall, Ph.D., is the author of Reading Assessment: Linking Language, Literacy and Cognition, and co-author of All About Tests & Assessments. She recently retired as director for evaluation at the Stern Center for Language and Learning in Vermont, and held an appointment as clinical assistant professor in the Department of Neurological Sciences at the Robert Larner College of Medicine at the University of Vermont, where she trained medical professionals about learning disabilities and reading. She continues to train evaluators and teach courses through the Stern Center and Vermont State University.

She has her doctorate from Brown University in Slavic linguistics, her master’s degree in learning disabilities from Rivier College, and certification as a specialist in the Assessment of Intellectual Functioning.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“My view of reading comprehension is that it is ‘thinking guided by print.’”

—Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.

“If we supplement our evaluation with measures of listening comprehension, we can then get a sense of an individual's ability to make meaning. ”

—Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.

“One of the interesting things about being in this field is that no two people share the same definition of what reading comprehension is. Because we don't necessarily agree as to what reading comprehension is, there is certainly a lot of diversity in the way that we decide we want to assess it.”

—Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.

“In a perfect world, we would have not just evaluators, but educators who are trained both in the Science of Reading and in assessment so that we can all sit at the same table and participate as we review evaluation results.”

—Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.

Season 10, Episode 5

Reimagining comprehension assessment, with Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by University of Oregon College of Education Professor and Ann Swindells Chair in Education Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D., to explore how best to assess for comprehension. Gina elaborates on her extensive work developing more precise and informative measurements of reading comprehension and discusses think-aloud research, demonstrating how to infer for coherence, and examining how students who are struggling with comprehension tend to rely too heavily on making inferences or paraphrasing.

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Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.

Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D., is the Ann Swindells Chair in Education and a University of Oregon College of Education professor. Her research focuses on measuring reading comprehension and tracking reading growth over time. She is best known for creating key tools like the widely used DIBELS® 8th Edition and the MOCCA (Multiple-Choice Online Causal Comprehension Assessment) diagnostic measure. She holds a doctorate from the Harvard Graduate School of Education and completed a fellowship at Stanford University.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“A lot of what we know about reading comprehension comes from think-alouds, where you ask someone to tell you what they're thinking about as they read.”

—Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.

“ To model reading comprehension, [try] thinking aloud in front of a classroom of students in a way that is instructive for them, and also authentic to the reading process.”

—Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.

“Students are making causal inferences in their daily lives, when they watch movies and when they're hearing stories. And so what we're really trying to do is get them to generalize these behaviors that they engage in outside of the task of reading, during reading.”

—Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.

Season 10, Episode 4

The science of memory and misinformation, with David Rapp, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Northwestern University Professor of Education, Social Policy, and Psychology David Rapp. David’s research focuses on language and memory, and his conversation with Susan gives insight into how memory is connected to comprehension. The first half of the episode is spent defining comprehension as a process, a product, and a higher-order cognitive process. David then digs into how that definition informs the ways in which educators assess comprehension and where they can look for potential failure points. One of these failure points includes misinformation. David addresses what happens when misinformation is stored in long-term memory. He details the issues this can cause for student comprehension, and he gives guidance on how to prevent and correct them.

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David Rapp, Ph.D.

David Rapp is the Walter Dill Scott Professor of Education, Social Policy, and Psychology at Northwestern University. His research examines language and memory, focusing on the cognitive mechanisms responsible for successful learning and knowledge failures. This has included investigations into the influence of inaccurate information on comprehension, the evaluation of technologies that support formal and informal learning, and the iterative development of tools and curricula intended to support literacy. Rapp’s projects have been funded by the National Science Foundation, the U.S. Department of Education, the National Institute on Aging, and Meta.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“In terms of being exposed to misinformation, we see even if people have been exposed to inaccurate ideas—even once—it's encoded into memory; it's potentially gonna be there to influence you.”

—David Rapp, Ph.D.

“Once the information is in memory, you can't really get rid of it. What you can try to do is make other memories more powerful, more likely to resonate.”

—David Rapp, Ph.D.

“It feels easy for us to comprehend texts if we're well practiced at it. It feels easy, but it's actually a lot of cognitive operations going on behind the scenes and a lot of years of practice.”

—David Rapp, Ph.D.

“Sometimes our most effective processes actually lead us to misunderstand. For example, you're really good at encoding information to memory, that's great…except if you're exposed to inaccurate ideas, that's a problem.”

—David Rapp, Ph.D.

Season 10, Episode 3

Finding fluency at the heart of comprehension, with Doug Lemov

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Doug Lemov, former teacher and school principal, to discuss how teachers can identify when disfluency is actually the root cause for students’ struggles with comprehension—and what they can do about it. Using his new book, The Teach Like a Champion Guide to the Science of Reading, to guide the discussion, Susan and Doug address building attention stamina, the argument for reading whole books, and the value of expressive read-alouds. Finally, Doug ends the episode asserting that humans are meant to live in community, and that a deeper level of comprehension is unlocked through empathic connection to text and the experience of reading with others.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Doug Lemov

Doug Lemov is a former teacher and school principal whose books describe the techniques of high-performing teachers. His best-known book, Teach Like a Champion, has been translated into more than a dozen languages. The Teach Like a Champion Guide to the Science of Reading, published in July 2025 and co-written with Colleen Driggs and Erica Woolway, looks at how cognitive science can be better applied to the teaching of reading. Doug holds a bachelor’s in English from Hamilton College, a master’s in English Literature from Indiana University, and a Master’s of Business Administration from the Harvard Business School.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“When you know the science, you should have the autonomy to make real decisions and to solve problems in your classroom. That's how education works.”

—Doug Lemov

“If you're not a fluent reader, you can't be a deep reader.”

—Doug Lemov

“The research is clear that when you start to read expressively externally, then your internal reading voice while reading silently is much more expressive and therefore infused with more meaning.”

—Doug Lemov

“Fluent reading, when it includes prosody, is meaning made audible.”

—Doug Lemov

“I just think it's easy for us to overlook how profoundly groupish we are, how we yearn for group formation, how stories, when they're told well, when they're shared, they bind us together in an experience.”

—Doug Lemov

“When we're sharing this experience that we're able to connect with the text itself, we're able to infuse some meaning through how we're reading that text. That lends us to a depth of comprehension that's really where we want any reader to get to.”

—Susan Lambert

“Comprehension just isn't coming out of a book knowing what the author said; it’s deeply connected to the content that you just experienced.”

—Susan Lambert

Literacy Essentials, Episode 3

Science of Reading Essentials: Dyslexia

In this special dyslexia-focused Essentials episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert pulls from past episodes to summarize everything you need to know about dyslexia, from experts Emily Lutrick, Ed.D.; Nadine Gaab, Ph.D.; Tim Odegard, Ph.D.; Sally Shaywitz, M.D.; and Francisco Usero-González, Ph.D. You'll also hear first-hand accounts from young people about their personal experiences with dyslexia, reading, and the education system. Even if you have little prior knowledge of dyslexia, you’ll walk away from this episode with a foundational understanding of the condition, including what it is, what causes it, how to identify it, the importance of early screening, how it is a continuum, methods for intervention, and more.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Francisco Usero-González, Ph.D.

Francisco Usero-González, Ph.D., is a multilingual and education consultant specializing in culturally and linguistically responsive approaches for Hispanic bilingual students. Through his scientific training and teaching experience—nationally and internationally—he has increased his knowledge of biliteracy program design and implementation, participated in national and international educational conferences, and published several papers in international educational journals.

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Margaret “Margo” Malaika Weaver

Margo Weaver had unplugged from school and retreated into the corners of her environment until her diagnosis of dyslexia helped her make sense of things. She went from being on academic probation to regularly landing on the Honor Roll and Dean’s List. She became a two-time California All-State Softball player and now plays for Bowie State University in Maryland, where she studies Digital Art Animation.

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Elijah Valencia

Elijah Valencia’s story is a testament to the power of perseverance and an indictment of systems intended to help young people prepare for society. Without the ability to read well, Elijah was unable to keep his life on track. While incarcerated, he was diagnosed with dyslexia and given the support needed to develop his reading skills. Upon release, he earned an associate’s degree and has become a youth counselor and hotel manager.

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Sally Shaywitz, M.D.

Sally E. Shaywitz, M.D., is Audrey G. Ratner Professor in Learning Development at Yale University and co-director and co-founder of the Yale Center for Dyslexia & Creativity. A leading expert on dyslexia, she has authored over 350 scientific papers, delivered a Congressional keynote, and was elected to the National Academy of Medicine.

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Tim Odegard, Ph.D.

Tim Odegard, Ph.D., holds the Katherine Davis Murfree Chair of Excellence in Dyslexic Studies at Middle Tennessee State University. He leads the efforts of the Tennessee Center for the Study and Treatment of Dyslexia, serves as editor-in-chief of Annals of Dyslexia and consulting editor of the Journal of Learning Disabilities, and is a former editor at large for Perspectives on Language and Literacy. He is also a reading therapist, having completed a two-year dyslexia specialist training program at Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Children in Dallas.

Nadine Gaab, Ph.D.

Nadine Gaab, Ph.D., studies typical and atypical learning trajectories from infancy to adolescence, with a special emphasis on language, reading, and literacy development, and the role of the environment in shaping these trajectories. Her work is at the intersection of developmental psychology, learning sciences, neuroscience, educational technology, and educational policy within a learning disability framework. She’s interested in multifactorial frameworks of learning differences with an emphasis on early identification, and “preventative education.” One key aspect is the translation of research findings to address contemporary challenges in educational practice and policy.

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Hadyn Fleming

Hadyn Fleming is a student featured on Science of Reading: The Podcast who openly shares his experiences growing up with dyslexia. In his episode, he discusses his journey to becoming a confident reader and debunks common dyslexia myths. His story offers valuable insight into the profound impact educators can have on a student’s success and self-belief.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“The knowledge has been out there for decades, and still we have so many students in classrooms who are not identified and not supported. And it's a shame, because the impact of living with dyslexia—especially when it's not identified—can be profound.”

—Susan Lambert

“What we know is prevention is always the best, and you can't prevent somebody from being dyslexic. But what you can do is you can prevent them from having compounding struggles in learning how to read.”

—Susan Lambert

“When you have something, but it doesn't have a name, it leads to anxiety. So when you know that you have something and it has a name, that makes such a difference.”

—Sally Shaywitz, M.D.

“You don't wanna just screen the whole world or your whole district and then not do anything about it. Good screening needs to be followed by a good evidence-based response to screening.”

—Nadine Gaab, Ph.D.

“In this world of intervention, we need to take responsibility for getting students the intervention that they need to have, so they're not leaving us in this next grade and the next grade and the next grade still being non-readers.”

—Susan Lambert

“That old mindset of having something or not having something, black or white, is a real hindrance to actually making sure that we have protections for all students, regardless of if they fit this ‘you have dyslexia or not.’ We have a structural and systems challenge now.”

—Tim Odegard, Ph.D.

“Kiddos start to learn to read, and just at a basic preK level of understanding, you can identify some level of risk there and intervene appropriately. You can screen early and you can intervene just as early, to help close those gaps.”

—Emily Lutrick, Ed.D.

Season 10, Episode 2

Orthographic mapping is a cognitive process, with Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D., founder of The Reading Institute and director of the Advanced Certificates in Reading Science, Brooklyn College. An expert in orthographic mapping, Pace Miles explains why it’s a cognitive process, why that means it can’t be “taught,” and how we can instead leverage an understanding of it to inform instructional practices across reading, writing, and spelling to improve comprehension. Pace Miles outlines what it takes to develop good word-reading habits in emergent readers, and offers step-by-step advice on how to implement quick intervention when needed.

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Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D.

Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D., is an associate professor and the Director of the Advanced Certificates in Reading Science at Brooklyn College, part of the City University of New York (CUNY). Pace Miles is the author of the Reading Ready intervention program, co-author of the Reading Ready for Whole Phonics program and the book Making Words Stick, and academic advisor for Reading Go. She is also the co-founder and principal investigator of CUNY Reading Fellows, which improves preservice teacher training and provides free high-dosage tutoring to over 2,300 historically underserved New York City students every year; and the founder and president of The Reading Institute, which brings free evidence-based tutoring programs to readers across the country and provides reading-science-aligned professional development to teachers.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“You don't teach orthographic mapping, 'cause, again, that's a cognitive process, but you can facilitate support for long-term storage of words.”

—Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D.

“Never acquiesce to illiteracy. We all, as a community that supports all readers, have to figure out what instruction needs to be provided and what dosage over what duration of time … and it will happen.”

—Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D.

“If you're focused only on phonics and not on spelling, you are going to miss a whole bunch of decoding instruction, word analysis work.”

—Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D.

“You don't need a Ph.D. to have that knowledge. That should come in all teacher training. The complexity of the English language—every teacher I've ever met can handle it once we teach it.”

—Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D.

Season 10, Episode 1

The (not so) Simple View of Reading, with Wesley Hoover, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Wesley Hoover, a psycholinguist at the University of Texas at Austin, to discuss the Simple View of Reading and how it can serve as the basis for our understanding of comprehension. Wesley digs into all the complexities of this model—which is only simple at a high level—including the meaning of language comprehension vs. reading comprehension, the impact of word recognition, and using the simple view to identify struggling students. He’ll even address the limitations of the simple view of reading, untangle common misconceptions, and give you tools for assessing the value of any model for reading that you might encounter.

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Wesley Hoover, Ph.D.

Wesley A. Hoover is a psycholinguist with a Ph.D. from the University of Texas at Austin. He spent 35 years at Southwest Educational Development Laboratory (SEDL), where he researched the cognitive foundations of reading, and served as President and CEO for his last 18 years. He led the 2015 merger of SEDL with AIR, where he continued to work on literacy projects before retiring in 2019. He now works as a writer, speaker, and consultant on the cognitive foundations of reading.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“To be a reader, you have to be good at two things: word recognition and language comprehension. Both of them are necessary components of reading, but neither one of them is sufficient on its own.”

—Wesley Hoover, Ph.D.

“The simple view doesn't say that reading is not complex. It just says the complexity is housed in two factors, word recognition and language comprehension. And both of those are complex.”

—Wesley Hoover, Ph.D.

“If you're a teacher thinking about language comprehension, whatever time you devote to helping people understand language, if you can be effective in doing that, you'll never waste a kid's time.”

—Wesley Hoover, Ph.D.

“Language comprehension is unbounded. … The knowledge of the world and being able to express the knowledge of the world in language—that's always a key difficulty you work on for your entire life.”

—Wesley Hoover, Ph.D.

Season 9, Special Episode

Translating research into action, with Amie Burkholder

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, literacy coach (and podcast host in her own right) Amie Burkholder joins us to discuss her new book, Literacy Unlocked: How to Implement the Science of Reading With Young Learners. Amie talks through the origins of the book, how she structured it to be really actionable for educators, and what she hopes educators will take away from it. Amie and Susan also discuss some of the biggest recent changes to the Science of Reading movement, the areas Amie most often sees educators struggle when making the switch to research-based literacy instruction, and some tips educators can implement today—including a walkthrough of a classroom activity targeting phonemic awareness.  

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Season 9, Special Episode

Everything is literacy, with Susan Lambert, Ed.D.

In this crossover episode Susan Lambert joins Ana Torres from sister podcast, Beyond My Years. Together they dive into the idea that all educators contribute to—and thus must invest in—student literacy development, regardless of the content they teach. Throughout the conversation, they discuss how all teachers are literacy teachers, and they offer four simple tips for developing academic language in any classroom. Then, Classroom Insider Eric Cross shares his top three takeaways from Susan.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Ana Torres

Ana Torres is the Senior Biliteracy and Multilingual Product Specialist at Amplify and host of Beyond My Years. Over her 30 years in education, Ana has developed a passion for biliteracy and supporting students from all walks of life. And on Beyond My Years, she’s excited to connect with legendary educators from all subject areas about their lives in education—and what they wish they’d known as younger teachers.

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Eric Cross

Eric Cross is a middle school science teacher and Classroom Insider on Beyond My Years. In each episode, Eric connects with host Ana Torres to discuss the insights her guests have gleaned from their long and rewarding careers in the classroom. Eric also explores ways to bring guests’ wisdom into classrooms and busy teaching life.

Meet our host: Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“I got into education because one of my children had a hard time learning how to read. It's an experience that leads you to protect your child, find answers for your child, and then make sure that other kids and parents don't have to go through the same kind of trauma that you went through.”

—Susan Lambert, Ed.D.

“Any teacher in a classroom, no matter what content area they teach, is teaching something about language.”

—Susan Lambert, Ed.D.

“Reading and writing and understanding language is not just an English language arts teacher's responsibility. It's the responsibility of every educator to communicate their discipline and the words and the concepts from their discipline to their students.”

—Susan Lambert, Ed.D.

“[The Science of Reading movement] is not being led by one person or another person. … I'm part of a greater community, and to know that I play a certain role or part in that community actually gives me a lot of inspiration on days when it's really, really hard.”

—Susan Lambert, Ed.D.

“Background knowledge—we either mine it or we make it. We either mine it by tapping into what students already know, or we make it by building the experiences they need.”

—Eric Cross

“The more that we can sharpen our tools and our skillset to be those teachers of literacy, the faster we're going to see improvements in learning in our classrooms. They're not two separate things.”

—Eric Cross

Season 10, Trailer

The comprehension season

Podcast host Susan Lambert gives you a first look at Season 10 of Science of Reading: The Podcast. This season will focus on reading comprehension, taking a deep dive into what is ultimately the goal of every classroom: breaking down why comprehension matters and how to achieve it. Get a glimpse into the season’s different angles on comprehension, as well as the expert guests you can look forward to hearing from.

Meet our host: Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Season 9, Special Episode

Translating research into action, with Amie Burkholder

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, literacy coach (and podcast host in her own right) Amie Burkholder joins us to discuss her new book, Literacy Unlocked: How to Implement the Science of Reading With Young Learners. Amie talks through the origins of the book, how she structured it to be really actionable for educators, and what she hopes educators will take away from it. Amie and Susan also discuss some of the biggest recent changes to the Science of Reading movement, the areas Amie most often sees educators struggle when making the switch to research-based literacy instruction, and some tips educators can implement today—including a walkthrough of a classroom activity targeting phonemic awareness.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Amie Burkholder

Amie Burkholder is a literacy coach, national speaker, and author of Literacy Unlocked: How to Implement the Science of Reading With Young Learners. With over 15 years in education, Amie helps teachers bridge research and practice through structured literacy. She’s the creator of the Route2Reading Membership and Foundations to Fluency phonics curriculum, approved in Virginia. Amie is passionate about making the Science of Reading practical for real classrooms and helping every child become a confident reader.

Meet our host: Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“I want [the book] to follow the research, but I want it to be simple enough for teachers to execute, [and] also engaging enough for kids to want to do it.”

—Amie Burkholder

“If you try to change everything you're doing, you're not going to do anything well. Pick one area of your literacy block you’re really gonna nail. Once you nail that, add another one.”

—Amie Burkholder

“Look to those that you trust to guide you.”

—Amie Burkholder

Season 9, Special Episode

Leveled reading, leveled lives, with Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, top literacy scholar Tim Shanahan, Ph.D., returns to discuss his new book, Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives: How Students’ Reading Achievement Has Been Held Back and What We Can Do About It. During his conversation with Susan Lambert, he outlines what existing research says about leveled reading—and why it’s not effective. He also shares how the misuse of theory can lead to ineffectual conclusions, makes a case for the efficacy of more explicit instruction, and provides a few simple tweaks teachers can make to classroom instruction that can make a big difference for their students.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D., is Distinguished Professor Emeritus at the University of Illinois at Chi­cago. Prior to this work, he served as Director of Reading for Chicago Public Schools and was a visiting research professor at Queens University in Belfast, Northern Ireland. He has written and edited more than 300 publications, including his new book, Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives: How Students’ Reading Achievement Has Been Held Back and What We Can Do About It (Harvard Education Press, 2025). He was also a former president of the International Literacy Association and served on the National Institute for Literacy Advisory Board under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He was inducted to the Reading Hall of Fame in 2007 and is a former first-grade teacher.

Meet our host: Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“This notion of trying to match kids to books and get everybody to their right level is, at the very least, wasteful. It's not benefiting kids.”

—Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

“We're spending an awful lot of time doing a lot of work that is not only not paying off, but it's probably holding a lot of kids back.”

—Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

“When we try to ease the path so much so that the kids will hardly even know that they're learning anything, they're probably hardly ever gonna learn anything.”

—Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

“Maybe we should be having kids read some of these texts more than once. Maybe we should be doing some of our fluency work, not after we did the comprehension work, but ahead of time.”

—Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

Literacy Essentials, Episode 2

Science of Reading Essentials: Comprehension

In this special Essentials episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert digs into the archives to find reading comprehension insights from experts Hugh Catts, Ph.D.; Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D.; and Reid Smith, Ph.D. Listeners will get a foundational introduction to the complexities of reading comprehension and come away with an understanding of how to reframe comprehension as an outcome rather than a skill, choose the right texts and ask the right questions, and cultivate long-term memory and knowledge recall.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Hugh Catts

Hugh Catts, Ph.D., studies the early identification and prevention of reading disabilities. Catts is a former board member of the International Dyslexia Association and former president of the Society for the Scientific Study of Reading. He has received the Samuel T. Orton Award (the International Dyslexia Association’s highest honor) and the Honors of the Association Award from the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association for his career contributions to these disciplines. His current research concerns the early identification of reading and language difficulties and the nature and assessment of reading comprehension problems.

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Sharon Vaughn

Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D., serves as the Manuel J. Justiz Endowed Chair in Education and the Executive Director of the Meadows Center for Preventing Educational Risk, an organized research unit that she founded with a Make-A-Wish gift the Meadows Foundation family. She’s the recipient of numerous awards, including the University of Texas Distinguished Faculty and Research Award (which she was the first woman to receive), the Council for Exceptional Children (CEC) Special Education Research Award, the American Educational Research Association’s Special and Inclusive Education Research Distinguished Researcher Award, and the Jeannette E. Fleischner Award for Outstanding Contributions in the Field of Learning Disabilities from CEC. She is the author of more than 40 books and 350 research articles, six of which have met the What Works Clearing House Criteria for their intervention reports. She has conducted technical assistance in literacy in more than 10 countries and 30 state Departments of Education and has worked as a literacy consultant on more than 50 technical assistance projects.

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Reid Smith

Reid Smith, Ph.D., is an elementary school teacher and curriculum leader at a school in Australia. He holds a doctorate from La Trobe University’s Science of Language and Reading Lab, where his research focused on the contribution of background knowledge to the act of reading. He is also co-CEO of Ochre Education, a not-for-profit organization committed to closing educational gaps by providing teachers with free, high-quality curriculum materials.

Meet our host: Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“ For the most part, if we're paying attention, if we can read words efficiently and know what they mean and have background knowledge, it yields comprehension.”

—Sharon Vaughn

“ Some people say that the purpose of reading is comprehension. It's not the purpose of reading. The purpose of reading is whatever you're comprehending it for.”

—Hugh Catts

 ”We often forget that an important consideration to comprehending text is actually the text itself. A rigorous, interesting, full-of-rich-information text is going to yield a different kind of interaction between the reader than something that is super easy, or a text that might be patterned, or what we might call a leveled text.”

—Susan Lambert

“[There’s] a strong literature base that tells us that one of the differences between poor readers and strong readers is their ability to notice when there are inconsistencies in the text, and have strategies that they can employ to resolve those inconsistencies.”

—Reid Smith

“This Essentials episode does not answer everything about comprehension. All we're doing here is building a foundation, understanding that comprehension isn't a skill, it's complex.”

—Susan Lambert

Summer ’25 Rewind, Episode 15

Summer ’25 Rewind: The missing link in reading comprehension, with Anne Lucas

In this rewind episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, we revisit a Season 1 conversation between host Susan Lambert and Anne Lucas, former curriculum director and current associate vice president of product, literacy suite initiatives and supplementals at Amplify, on the complexities of reading comprehension. Together they dive into the complex nature of comprehension and why it’s so difficult to teach.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Anne Lucas

As the current associate vice president for Amplify’s supplemental programs, Anne Lucas’s mission is to create digital reading programs that not only help students learn critical reading skills, but also save teachers time and extend their reach in the classroom. As a former teacher and administrator, Anne understands firsthand that classroom time is both precious and sacred, and that any digital tool that is brought into a classroom must be an effective one. She enjoys working with teachers and students of all grade levels, though she began her career as a kindergarten teacher, so it will always hold a special place in her heart.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Comprehension is making sense and meaning while you read, so you have the ability to discuss, analyze, and form an opinion about something after you read it.”

—Anne Lucas

“Students who struggle with reading comprehension are often also weak in underlying language and literacy skills that are required of them to create a coherent network of ideas about what they read while they're reading it. [These skills] are collectively being called comprehension micro skills.”

—Anne Lucas

“We often think about comprehension as a product, or something that happens after kids read, but…the ability for a student to build a model or a network of ideas or a picture in their mind happens while they're reading.”

—Anne Lucas

“You know, you don't have to completely change your curriculum; you don't have to completely change the way you're teaching.”

—Anne Lucas

Season 9, Special Episode

Unlocking reading: Comprehension strategies vs. knowledge building, with Daniel Willingham, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert welcomes back researcher and author Daniel Willingham, Ph.D., to discuss reading comprehension. With only so much instruction time in the day and research supporting both comprehension strategies and knowledge building, it can be tough to know what to prioritize in the classroom. Daniel holds nothing back in outlining exactly where educators should focus their time. Together, he and Susan explore the limitations of comprehension strategies, the place for critical thinking skills in relationship to knowledge, and how to recognize when messaging around knowledge has gone too far.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Daniel Willingham, Ph.D.

Daniel Willingham, Ph.D., is a Professor of Psychology at the University of Virginia, where he has taught since 1992. Until about 2000, his research focused solely on the brain basis of learning and memory. Today, all of his research concerns the application of cognitive psychology to K–16 education. He is the author of several books, including the best-selling Why Don’t Students Like School? and, most recently, Outsmart Your Brain. His writing on education has appeared in 23 languages.​ In 2017 he was appointed by President Barack Obama to the National Board for Education Sciences.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer of Literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Your brain is really good at only bringing out the information from long-term memory that is relevant for the context. All of that's happening outside of awareness.”

—Daniel Willingham, Ph.D.

“When reading is really humming, when it's really working well, it's like visual perception. You're just enjoying the view and you're oblivious to all of the cognitive machinery in the background that's letting you see.”

—Daniel Willingham, Ph.D.

“Expecting that knowledge-rich curriculum is going to solve all problems… that's [not] what a reading program is. No, a reading program is multifaceted and needs to have lots of components.”

—Daniel Willingham, Ph.D.

“Knowledge accrues slowly and it's going to take a while. You need to be patient.”

—Daniel Willingham, Ph.D.

Season 9, Special Episode

The truth behind learning, with Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D. He’s a teacher, instructional coach, and author of the recent book Harnessing the Science of Learning: Success Stories to Help Kickstart Your School Improvement. Emphasizing the science of learning as an ever-growing resource for updating instruction practices, he provides a comprehensive look at how knowledge powers learning, how to identify knowledge-rich curricula, how cognitive load affects learning, and how to understand several common learning misconceptions.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

Nathaniel Swain is a teacher, instructional coach, and writer. He’s a Senior Lecturer at La Trobe University, where he also works at the SOLAR (Science of Language and Reading) Lab, and he blogs about teaching and learning at Dr. Swain’s Cognitorium. He’s taught a range of learners in schools and universities, and he founded a community of teachers committed to the Science of Learning: Think Forward Educators, now at 23,000 members and growing. Dr. Swain is a sought-after speaker on the educational circuit and the author of Harnessing the Science of Learning: Success Stories to Help Kickstart Your School Improvement.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer, Literacy, at Amplify, and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. A former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, she’s dedicated, to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“The greatest thing about the science of learning is that it's never really gonna be finished. Much like the science of reading, it's constantly being updated and it's something that we should be constantly turning to.”

–Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

“When we have knowledge at our fingertips—or in this case, in our synapses—ready to be used, we can overcome all these limitations that cognitive load theory talks about.”

–Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

“We're kidding ourselves a little bit if we think that we can replace that rich content knowledge with generic skills and generic competencies.”

–Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

“Students who have less knowledge or citizens that have less knowledge are more prey to disinformation, because they don't have enough in their schema to be able to question the knowledge that's coming in.”

–Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

“Nothing scares me more than students sitting in classrooms trying to go through the motions of comprehension strategies and diligently trying to apply them to reading a text, but not really knowing what this text is about.”

–Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

Literacy Essentials, Episode 1

Science of Reading Essentials: Writing

In this special Essentials episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert pulls from past episodes of the podcast to give you everything you need to know about science-based writing instruction. Experts include Steve Graham, Ed.D.; Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.; Natalie Wexler; and Judith Hochman, Ed.D. Listeners will walk away from this episode with a solid foundation for creating a classroom of confident and capable writers, and gain a better understanding of the connection between reading and writing, the role of handwriting and spelling, the power of sentences, and the importance of applying cognitive load theory to writing. Download our discussion guide to fuel a professional learning session!

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Judith Hochman, Ed.D.

Judith C. Hochman is the former head of The Windward School and the founder of the Windward Teacher Training Institute in White Plains, New York, as well as the former superintendent of the Greenburgh Graham Free School District in Hastings-on-Hudson, New York. She is the founder of The Writing Revolution, a not-for-profit organization which disseminates evidence-based strategies for writing instruction. Hochman is the author of Basic Writing Skills: A Manual for Teachers and co-author of The Writing Revolution: A Guide to Advancing Thinking Through Writing in All Subjects and Grades (2017, 2024).

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Natalie Wexler

Natalie Wexler is the author of Beyond the Science of Reading: Connecting Literacy Instruction to the Science of Learning. She is also the author of The Knowledge Gap: The Hidden Cause of America’s Broken Education System—and How to Fix It and the co-author, with Judith C. Hochman, of The Writing Revolution: A Guide to Advancing Thinking Through Writing in All Subjects and Grades. She has a free Substack newsletter called Minding the Gap, and she was the host of Season One of the Reading Comprehension Revisited podcast from the Knowledge Matters Campaign. More information is available at her website, www.nataliewexler.com.

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Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D., (Harvard University) is a professor at the School of Education, University of California at Irvine. She was a former classroom teacher in San Francisco. Her scholarship focuses on understanding language and literacy development and effective instruction for children from diverse backgrounds. Her areas of research include reading comprehension, reading fluency, listening comprehension and oral language, dyslexia, higher-order cognitive skills, written composition, and reading-writing relations. She has worked extensively with monolingual children and multilingual children from various linguistic backgrounds including English, Korean, Chinese, Spanish, and Kiswahili. Her research has been supported by over $60 million in grants from the Institute of Education Sciences, the U.S. Department of Education, the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, and the National Science Foundation. Her work was recognized by several awards, including the 2012 Presidential Early Career Award for Scientists and Engineers (PECASE) by former President Barack Obama, the Developing Scholar Award, and the Robert M. Gagne Outstanding Student Research Award. She is an American Educational Research Association (AERA) Fellow, and serves as the editor-in-chief for Scientific Studies of Reading and the chair of the California Reading Difficulties Risk Screener Selection Panel (RDRSSP), appointed by the California State Board of Education.

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Steve Graham, Ed.D.

Steve Graham is a Regents’ and Warner Professor at Arizona State University’s Mary Lou Fulton College for Teaching and Learning Innovation. For 47 years, he has studied how writing develops, how to teach it effectively, and how it can be used to support reading and learning. In recent years, he has been involved in the development and testing of digital tools for supporting writing and reading through a series of grants from the Institute of Educational Sciences and the Office of Special Education Programs in the U.S. Department of Education. His research involves the development of writers with special needs in both elementary and secondary schools, much of which occurs in urban schools. Graham has received many awards for his contributions to literacy and was selected to the Reading Hall of Fame in 2018. He is a fellow of the American Educational Research Association, Division 15 of the American Psychological Association, and of the International Academy for Research in Learning Disabilities.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is chief academic officer of literacy at Amplify and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“The Science of Reading encapsulates decades of research about both reading and writing—because if writing was never invented, we would not have to teach kids how to read.”

—Susan Lambert

"What we see with exceptional teachers is they have their kids write."

—Steve Graham, Ed.D.

“This is not learned by osmosis. And it's not learned by vague feedback like, 'Make it better,' or 'Add more details.' You've got to be very granular.”

—Judith Hochman, Ed.D.

Season 9, Special Episode

A guide to integrating knowledge building into your classroom, with Jackie Relyea, Ph.D.

In this special episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Jackie Relyea, Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Literacy Education at North Carolina State University, who’ll give you a comprehensive guide to integrating background knowledge into your teaching as you create a content-rich classroom. Jackie offers insights into why time-tested classroom staples such as read-alouds and word walls are effective tools for building background knowledge … and how to make them even better. She also digs into why vocabulary is just one facet of conceptual knowledge and what the research says about background knowledge for multilingual learners.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Jackie Relyea, Ph.D.

Jackie Eunjung Relyea, Ph.D., is an Assistant Professor of Literacy Education in the College of Education at North Carolina State University. Her research centers on understanding the uniqueness of and variations in reading development, as well as developing and evaluating the efficacy of literacy instructional practices aimed at improving learning opportunities for multilingual students. Her work has been supported by the Institute of Education Sciences, the American Educational Research Association-National Science Foundation, and the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. She currently serves as an Editorial Fellow for the Journal of Educational Psychology. She earned her Ph.D. from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is Chief Academic Officer, Literacy, at Amplify, and host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Literacy for my students meant more than just reading and writing; it was about access, access to the world, and access to knowledge and opportunities, and even independence—finding their voices.”

–Jackie Eunjung Relyea, Ph.D.

“You can think of a schema like … mental maps or the frameworks that help us store and organize new information and knowledge. The richer and the more detailed your schema about a particular topic, the easier it is to understand and remember new information about it.”

–Jackie Eunjung Relyea, Ph.D.

“Vocabulary oftentimes is the tip of the iceberg of the whole: the conceptual knowledge. It's not a simple definition of the single word; it's really conceptual knowledge and understanding that is represented by the word.”

–Jackie Eunjung Relyea, Ph.D.

Season 9, Special Episode

A better way to teach our teachers, with Karen Betz, Ed.D.

In this special episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Assistant Professor of Literacy and Coordinator of Reading Science Programs at Marian University Karen Betz, Ed.D., to discuss a key topic in the Science of Reading movement: higher education. Betz describes how we can better prepare new teachers to provide evidence-based instruction, and her tool to help teachers in higher education assess whether their courses align to reading research. Betz also offers advice for current practitioners on how they can support change at the university level.

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Karen Betz, Ed.D.

Karen Betz, Ed.D., is an assistant professor of literacy and coordinator of reading science programs for Klipsch Educators College at Marian University in Indianapolis, Indiana. Betz launched the school’s Master of Science in reading science, which was the first of its kind developed in Indiana. She founded KB Literacy Consulting, which supports public, charter, and private schools in developing systems to ensure all children receive effective reading and writing instruction, and serves as developer and trainer of the Higher Education Community of Practice course for The Literacy Architects, an organization that supports instructors in aligning coursework to reading research. Betz’s research focuses on her passion for providing and helping others develop effective teacher preparation for pre-service and in-service teachers in the Science of Reading. A graduate of the University of Cincinnati with a Bachelor of Arts in psychology, Bachelor of Science in elementary education, Master of Science in elementary education, and an endorsement in gifted education, Betz also holds a doctorate in reading science from Mount St. Joseph University.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“The reality is, many of our pre-service teachers are entering the classroom not prepared and they don't know that they're not prepared.”

— Karen Betz

“It has taken legislation and I don't think that's a bad thing. We need to have some people invested in understanding what the issue is. We've got to stop the bleeding in higher education in order to really make gains.”

— Karen Betz

“We're not working against each other. We're not in competition. We're all trying to ensure that all pre-service teachers, when they leave the university or the program, that they're prepared. And it ultimately always is going to come down to the children, and we can never lose sight of that. It's about the kids.”

— Karen Betz

“Don't be afraid to say ‘I don't know.’ I think people respect that, that you say, ‘I just don't know’ and ‘how can you help me learn more?’”

— Karen Betz

Season 9, Episode 14

Your questions answered, with Claude Goldenberg and Susan Lambert

In this special episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Claude Goldenberg, Ph.D.,  professor of education, emeritus, at Stanford University, to answer questions from our listener mailbag. Together they address a wide range of topics facing today’s educators, such as what to do when your school implements conflicting materials, how to support students who are two or three grade levels behind, best practices for teaching multilingual learners, and more!

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Claude Goldenberg, Ph.D.

Claude Goldenberg, Ph.D., is the Nomellini & Olivier professor of education, emeritus faculty, Graduate School of Education at Stanford University. He received his A.B. in history from Princeton University and his M.A. and Ph.D. from the Graduate School of Education at UCLA. A native of Argentina, he has taught junior high school in San Antonio and first grade in a bilingual elementary school in Los Angeles. His areas of research centered on promoting academic achievement among language minority students, particularly those from Spanish-speaking backgrounds. Dr. Goldenberg currently works on promoting research, policy, and practices to enhance literacy and academic development among students not yet proficient in English.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Incrementalism is just not going to serve our purpose unless you want to keep things as they are. And I hate to say this, Susan … some people wouldn't mind leaving things as they are. And we can't do that, and we can't do it incrementally. We've got to really move, like last year.”

—Claude Goldenberg

“You’ve got to understand how [two programs] fit together and what the purpose is. Giving teachers materials that are literally incoherent and don't fit with each other is not the answer.”

—Claude Goldenberg

“We need to have a system … using the best knowledge that we have systematically throughout the state, throughout the country, with systems that pick up kids who are at risk and don't let them fail.”

—Claude Goldenberg

Season 9, Episode 13

Empowering instruction through mental models, with Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Young-Suk Grace Kim,  a professor at University of California at Irvine School of Education. Dr. Kim begins by defining a theoretical model, outlining its value to teachers as it pertains to literacy instruction. She describes her own interactive dynamic literacy (IDL) model, which seeks to more fully explain reading and writing connections. Dr. Kim emphasizes how reading and writing function as a powerful and closely related system, and examines how this system interacts with developmental phases, linguistic grain size, and reading and writing difficulties, including dyslexia. After navigating the complexities of this conversation, Susan ends the episode by sharing her unique insights and takeaways from her time with Dr. Kim.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D., (Harvard University) is a professor at the School of Education, University of California at Irvine. She is a former classroom teacher in San Francisco. Her scholarship focuses on understanding language and literacy development and effective instruction for children from diverse backgrounds. Her areas of research include reading comprehension, reading fluency, listening comprehension and oral language, dyslexia, higher-order cognitive skills, written composition, and reading-writing relations. She has worked extensively with monolingual children and multilingual children from various linguistic backgrounds including English, Korean, Chinese, Spanish, and Kiswahili. Her research has been supported by over $60 million in grants from the Institute of Education Sciences, the U. S. Department of Education, the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, and the National Science Foundation. Her work was recognized by several awards, including the 2012 Presidential Early Career Award for Scientists and Engineers (PECASE) by former President Barack Obama, the Developing Scholar Award, and the Robert M. Gagne Outstanding Student Research Award. She is an American Educational Research Association (AERA) Fellow, and serves as the editor-in-chief for Scientific Studies of Reading and the chair of the California Reading Difficulties Risk Screener Selection Panel (RDRSSP), appointed by the California State Board of Education.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Theory is an explanation about how things work. …It's a structured framework, a mental framework, that helps us explain, and predict, and understand phenomena.”

—Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

“Theoretical models matter because they offer insights into the processes of reading and writing, as well as factors that contribute to the development of reading and writing skills and/or difficulties in development. Teachers' understanding of this will empower them to make decisions about instructional approaches.”

—Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

“Lower order skills are necessary for higher order skills—that means skills and knowledge have a series of causal effects. So if you flip it the other way—any challenges…skills—it's going to have a series of impacts on higher order skills.”

—Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

“A lot of educators understand that reading and writing are related, but I think as educators, we need to have a really precise understanding about it. We need to have a good mental model about how they're related and why they're related, so that we can use that knowledge to inform our instruction and assessment.”

—Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

“If an educator goes to a professional development and learns about something like phoneme awareness…but you don't have a framework in which to attach it, you can sort of go down a rabbit trail on one thing instead of thinking about how it relates to the whole.”

—Susan Lambert

Season 6, Episode 15

Special interlude #2: The science of learning, the humility of teaching

Learning is at the center of everything in education, so understanding how the human brain processes, retains, and retrieves new information is essential to student growth. In this special crossover episode, Susan joins forces with fellow Amplify podcast hosts Eric Cross from Science Connections and Dan Meyer and Bethany Lockhart Johnson from Math Teacher Lounge to discuss what learning really means across subjects. Susan is also joined by Peter C. Brown, author of the book Make It Stick: The Science of Successful Learning, to dive into the cognitive science behind how our brains learn and ways you can apply that research in your classroom right now!

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Peter C. Brown, Bethany Lockhart Johnson, Dan Meyer, and Eric Cross

Peter C. Brown is a bestselling writer and novelist, retired from a career as a management consultant. He is the lead author of Make it Stick: The Science of Successful Learning (Harvard University Press, 2014). Make it Stick has been translated into 17 foreign languages and received international acclaim for changing the way we understand learning. 

 

Bethany Lockhart Johnson is co-host of the podcast Math Teacher Lounge, as well as a curriculum design consultant, elementary school educator, and author. Prior to serving as a multiple-subject teacher, she taught theater and dance, and now loves incorporating movement and creative play into her classroom. Bethany is committed to helping students find joy in discovering their identities as mathematicians. In addition to her role as a full-time classroom teacher, Bethany is a Student Achievement Partners California Core Advocate and is active in national and local mathematics organizations. Bethany is a member of the Illustrative Mathematics Elementary Curriculum Steering Committee and serves as a consultant, creating materials to support families during distance learning.

 

Dan Meyer, director of research for Desmos Classroom, is co-host of the podcast Math Teacher Lounge. Dan Meyer taught high school math to students who didn’t like high school math. He has advocated for better math instruction on CNN, “Good Morning America,” “Everyday With Rachael Ray,” and TED.com. He earned his doctorate from Stanford University in math education and is currently the Dean of Research at Desmos, where he explores the future of math, technology, and learning. Dan has worked with teachers in all 50 states and internationally, and was named one of Tech & Learning’s 30 Leaders of the Future.

 

Eric Cross, the host of the podcast Science Connections, is a grade 7 science/technology teacher, grade-level lead, and digital learning innovator for Albert Einstein Academies, an International Baccalaureate school. He is also an adjunct professor of learning and technology at the University of San Diego.

Meet Our Host: Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the chief academic officer of elementary humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career—which has included work as a classroom teacher, building administrator, and district-level leader—has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, grandma of four, world traveler, and collector of stories. Her professional quarantine accomplishments include the production of knowledge-based learning modules for for K–2 students, available through Amplify’s free resources website and Wide Open Schools.

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Quotes

“Learning is this fluid thing. It's social, it's dynamic, it's experiential. It is the process of acquiring knowledge and understanding, and developing these behavioral skills, but it's also embedded in this bigger context of your background, your identity.”

—Eric Cross

“The scientists have discovered that for something to be learned and retained, you need to help the brain do that by practicing, retrieving it from memory, and practicing explaining it in your own words to somebody else asking.”

—Peter C. Brown

“Joy in the classroom is a much better context for learning than anxiety.”

—Susan Lambert

Episode 1: Confronting the data with Dr. LaTonya Goffney

Join Dr. LaTonya Goffney, Superintendent of Schools for Aldine Independent School District in Texas, as she recounts her two-year journey with her team of district educators to adopt a new early literacy curriculum. Hear how they successfully challenged the traditional adoption process, studied the science of teaching reading, analyzed student data and experiences, and developed a district-wide set of beliefs and expectations.

Season 9, Episode 12

Explicit instruction of academic language, with Adrea Truckenmiller, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Adrea Truckenmiller,  associate professor of special education and school psychology at Michigan State University. Their conversation starts with defining academic language and breaking it down on the level of the word, the sentence, and full text. Adrea then touches on topics such as informational vs. narrative text structure, morphological complexity, and effective writing assessment. She also gives advice on how to implement explicit instruction on informational text and academic language, and details a few examples of what it can look like in the classroom. Adrea ends by discussing her passion for special education and encouraging educators to get involved.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Adrea Truckenmiller

Adrea Truckenmiller, Ph.D., NCSP, is an associate professor of special education and school psychology at Michigan State University. She’s the lead author of the Writing Architect, a digital tool that combines an innovative curriculum-based measure of informational writing with instructional practices grounded in research to meet the diverse needs of students in grades 3–8. She also co-created MSU’s master’s degree program for leadership in studying and implementing the Multi-Tiered System of Supports framework. Prior to her time at MSU, Truckenmiller was a researcher at the Florida Center for Reading Research. There, she directed the development of screening and diagnostic assessments for reading and writing, as well as state-wide professional development to accompany them and inform differentiated instruction. She has published more than 40 articles and was awarded more than $5 million in external funding for her research on reading and writing development. She serves as associate editor for the Journal of School Psychology and the Elementary School Journal and sits on the editorial board of five other journals. Learn more at atruck.msu.domains.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“When we're thinking about teaching academic vocabulary, of course in the context of content, [it’s important to note] that it's not just a one time around, that sometimes we have to layer that instruction for deeper and deeper and deeper meaning.”

—Susan Lambert

“ Academic language is really a new language for everyone to learn.”

—Adrea Truckenmiller

Season 9, Episode 11

Writing the way to better reading, with Judith Hochman, Ed.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Judith Hochman, coauthor of The Writing Revolution. Their conversation begins as Dr. Hochman recalls the early days of writing instruction and research, then delves into the connection between better writing and better reading. Dr. Hochman touches upon topics such as writing comprehension, her experience implementing writing instruction as a classroom teacher and as an administrator, and how the writing revolution came to be. She also answers a question from our listener mailbag, providing a detailed overview of the scope and sequence for transitioning student writing from sentence composition to paragraphs to whole texts.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Judith C. Hochman

Judith C. Hochman

Judith Hochman, Ed.D., is the former head of The Windward School and the founder of the Windward Teacher Training Institute in White Plains, New York, as well as the former superintendent of the Greenburgh Graham Free School District in Hastings-on-Hudson, New York. She is the founder of The Writing Revolution, a not-for-profit organization which disseminates evidence-based strategies for writing instruction. Dr. Hochman is the author of Basic Writing Skills: A Manual for Teachers and coauthor of The Writing Revolution: A Guide to Advancing Thinking Through Writing in All Subjects and Grades (2017, 2024).

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“I had an epiphany that our students really had to learn writing as a second language.”

—Judith Hochman

“Having students write a lot is not teaching writing. It's just like if you put a lot of books in a classroom, students don't magically begin to read.”

—Judith Hochman

“I often talk to teachers and remind them that they can be their own researchers in their own classrooms—to try something small… . Watch to see the impact that it has; make adjustments when needed, and if it's working for the kids and you're actually seeing outcomes.”

—Susan Lambert

“This is not learned by osmosis, and it's not learned by vague feedback like, ‘Make it better,’ or, ‘Add more details.’ You've got to be very granular. This is not a naturally occurring skill in human development for any of us.”

—Judith Hochman

“What's good for elementary school is good for high school and beyond. The principles of teaching someone how to write coherently and with clarity don't change.”

—Judith Hochman

Season 9, Episode 10

Phonology as a settled science, with Jane Ashby, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Jane Ashby, professor in the Reading Science doctoral program at Mount St. Joseph University. The two define the concept of “settled science” as a jumping-off point before digging into phonology and the argument for not always basing your teaching practice on the newest research. Dr. Ashby touches on the impact of phonology on comprehension, the Matthew Effect, and why the term “instant words” is more accurate than “sight words.” You’ll walk away from this episode with two practical exercises Dr. Ashby recommends for teaching students to transfer oral segmenting and blending to reading and writing tasks.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Jane Ashby, Ph.D.

Jane Ashby, Ph.D.

Dr. Ashby’s reading journey started 30 years ago. She pursued an Ed.M. at the Harvard Graduate School of Education, then taught adult learners who struggled with reading. This led her to deepen her instruction skills by studying the Orton-Gillingham approach at Massachusetts General Hospital. She supported teachers and students facing reading disorders in the Columbus area, then returned to school to study how readers get the words off the page during silent reading. She earned a doctorate in psychology from the University of Massachusetts, and in 2009, joined the Psychology Department at Central Michigan University, where her eye movement lab investigated the role of speech processes in silent reading. She coauthored the book Psychology of Reading (2012) as well as several papers examining the role of phonology in silent reading. During her sabbatical, Dr. Ashby supported teachers in Vermont who were developing more effective literacy practices. In her spare time, she enjoys reading and outdoor adventures.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“To store a vocabulary word, it's not enough to have the meaning. You have to have the entry for it, and the entry for it is the sound form of the word.”

—Jane Ashby

“The greatest gift you can give a kid is letting them know that you see that they're special and that they have something unique that they bring to the world. But the second piece is really, can you help them become a confident, independent reader?”

—Jane Ashby

“ The practitioner doesn't necessarily want to follow the latest research, because you don't know if the latest research is going to replicate or not. Is it going to hold up over time or not? If you always follow the latest research, you can find yourself zigzagging a lot in your practice.”

—Jane Ashby

“There's a good 10 to 20 years of solid work that needs to be done just implementing what we already know from research, what is already the settled science.”

—Jane Ashby

Season 9, Episode 9

Identify Developmental Language Disorder in your classroom, with Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Tiffany Hogan, a professor at MGH Institute of Health Professions in Boston, who studies  the connections among speech and language and literacy across time in children. Together, Susan and Dr. Hogan explore the complexities of language, the components that form language, and the significance of language for literacy. Dr. Hogan explains Developmental Language Disorder (DLD)—its characteristics, its prevalence, and the challenges in recognizing it. She emphasizes the importance of supporting children with DLD and the role of educators in making a difference long-term. She also provides listeners with effective strategies for supporting children with oral language deficits, offers insights into the relationship between background knowledge and language, and answers questions from our listener mailbag.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Tiffany P. Hogan, Ph.D.

Tiffany P. Hogan, Ph.D., CCC-SLP, is a professor at MGH Institute of Health Professions in Boston and director of the Speech and Language (SAiL) Literacy Lab, and a research associate at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Hogan has published over 100 papers on the genetic, neurologic, and behavioral links between oral and written language development. Her focus is on improving assessment and intervention in schools, especially for neurodiverse children with Developmental Language Disorder, dyslexia, and/or Speech Sound Disorders. Her advocacy for children with language, speech, and literacy differences led her to co-found a DLD informational website, DLD and Me, and host a podcast, SeeHearSpeak.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Neurodiversity means that we have lots of different ways to think, and we each come to the table with different brain structures.”

—Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.

“Oral language difficulties are a crystal ball into reading comprehension.”

—Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.

“You, as an educator, can be the one that really makes a difference for that child. It only takes one person to make a huge difference in the life of a child.”

—Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.

“When I'm thinking out something complex, I'll want to write it out, so that I can see where the holes are in my thinking. It's really this reciprocal relationship between the concepts or the knowledge we have and the language we have to convey that knowledge.”

—Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.

“As our conceptual knowledge builds, our language ability will build. So there's really a bidirectionality that occurs between background knowledge and language.”

—Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.

Season 9, Episode 8

Cognitive science-informed teaching, with Natalie Wexler

In this episode, Susan Lambert rejoins podcast alum Natalie Wexler to discuss Natalie’s new book Beyond the Science of Reading: Connecting Literacy Instruction to the Science of Learning. Listeners will gain insights into why this topic is important, what this book offers educators, why Natalie was so drawn to writing this book, and what cognitive science-informed teaching looks like in general. Natalie addresses how cognitive load theory works in practice with literacy, misconceptions about focusing only on phonics, and scaling science-informed instruction. Natalie also answers a question from the listener mailbag about encouraging colleagues to adopt an evidence-based approach.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Natalie Wexler

Natalie Wexler is the author of Beyond the Science of Reading: Connecting Literacy Instruction to the Science of Learning, coming from ASCD on Jan. 21, 2025. She is also the author of The Knowledge Gap: The Hidden Cause of America’s Broken Education System—and How to Fix It and the co-author, with Judith C. Hochman, Ed.D., of The Writing Revolution: A Guide to Advancing Thinking Through Writing in All Subjects and Grades. She has a free Substack newsletter called Minding the Gap, and she was the host of the Reading Comprehension Revisited podcast, Season One. More information is available on her website, www.nataliewexler.com.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“We’re overlooking the ways in which the typical approach to teaching reading comprehension and writing actually conflict with what cognitive science tells us about how people learn to do those things.”

—Natalie Wexler

“We spend much more time trying to teach them to read, but we kind of expect them to just pick up writing. You know, for most kids, it does not happen.”

—Natalie Wexler

“No matter how good you are at making inferences, if you don't have the requisite background knowledge, you're not gonna be able to do it.”

—Natalie Wexler

“It doesn't work to just ask inexperienced writers to just write down stuff. That is not going to provide the cognitive benefits.”

—Natalie Wexler

“Language is connected to thinking. If you can talk and write in a more sophisticated way that reflects that you are thinking in a more sophisticated way.”

—Natalie Wexler

Season 9, Special Episode

Award-winning ways to put science into practice

Amplify’s 2024 Science of Reading Star Award winners share insights from their daily work. They reflect on why it’s so critical to stay grounded in evidence-based literacy practices and how they bring those practices into their schools and classrooms. Listeners will be inspired by the creative ideas of educators who are making a difference in the lives of students across the country. Winners honored in the episode in order of appearance are: Amber Hines, Vance County Schools, NC; Elizabeth Caton, Windber Area Elementary School, PA; Jamie Vannoy, Wirt County Primary Center, WV; Christine Michalik, Cicero School District 99, IL; Andrea Mason, County Line Elementary School, GA; A. Simone McQuaige, Prince George’s County Public Schools, MD.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Amber Hines, Elizabeth Caton, Jamie Vannoy, Christine Michalik, Andrea Mason, and A. Simone McQuaige

Each of the 2024 Amplify Star Award winners have transformed their classrooms and empowered their students with the Science of Reading. These educators and leaders have gone above and beyond to light the path for students to pursue lifelong literacy. Award-winners featured in this episode include: Amber Hines, The Knowledge Builder; Elizabeth Caton, The Science of Reading Rookie; Jamie Vannoy, The Literacy Legend; Christine Michalik, The Knowledge Builder; Andrea Mason,The MTSS Maestro; and A. Simone McQuaige, The Changemaker.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“There is no, ‘Let's try this. Let's try that.’ When it's evidence based, you know that it's proven to be effective.”

—Amber Hines

“It's important that we are aligning our practices to standards and what the students are required to do—but also what they need.”

—Elizabeth Caton

“If we don't make a conscious effort to utilize evidence-based practices, we are going to be failing our most at-risk populations.”

—Jamie Vannoy

“All students should have the opportunity for multiple readings of the same text to build comprehension, to build fluency.”

—Christine Michalik

“It's really important to utilize assessments, [to] make sure that my students are getting exactly what they need based on the data that I get from assessments, but also based on the data that I get from regular progress monitoring.”

—Andrea Mason

“This is not something that can be just done at the schoolhouse. It involves the community and all of our community stakeholders.”

—A. Simone McQuaige

Season 9, Special Episode

Lessons from the 2024 National Teacher of the Year

This week, we’re highlighting an episode of Beyond My Years, our sibling podcast that gives you exclusive access to all the wisdom of veteran educators. Beyond My Years host Ana Torres learns from the best as she sits down with 2024 National Teacher of the Year Missy Testerman. Missy teaches Ana about being open to new ideas and perspectives, offers tips on building relationships with families, and discusses the importance of slowing down. Missy doesn’t shy away from tough topics, like managing the “who knows best” struggles among administrators, teachers, and parents, and knowing when it’s time to step away from teaching, In addition, Classroom Insider Eric Cross and Ana discuss understanding your community, being more flexible in presenting your lessons, and seeking mentorship and continuous growth.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Missy Testerman

Missy Testerman

2024 National Teacher of the Year Missy Testerman is a kindergarten through eighth grade English as a Second Language (ESL) teacher who is a staunch advocate for students, teachers, and families. Missy prioritizes instruction that ensures her students have the skills and knowledge necessary to achieve. She served as a first and second grade teacher at Rogersville City School in Rogersville, Tennessee, for three decades before taking advantage of the state’s Grow Your Own initiative and adding an ESL endorsement three years ago.

During her year of service as National Teacher of the Year, she’s empowered teachers to advocate for students and fellow educators by using their voices and sharing their experiences with those outside the classroom.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Find a mentor. Someone you trust. Listen to that person, watch that person, ask that person questions. You know, you don't have to figure this out on your own. People want to help you and you have to take that help. It's not a sign of weakness. It's a sign that you want to be better.”

—Missy Testerman

“I want them to be proud of where they came from, always, because that's part of their story. It's always going to be an important part of their story.”

—Missy Testerman

“I have no magic answers. I have some experiences and I have a little bit of wisdom from three decades of time spent in the education field, but I absolutely do not have it all figured out.”

—Missy Testerman

“The reality is that the journey toward wisdom in any career, especially in education, has to be slow and steady.”

—Missy Testerman

“We have to help guide our younger cohorts with our wisdom. But we also have to take pointers from them. They know lots of things that I do not know, things that I never learned how to do. They also were students more recently than I was … they remember what it feels like when this or that happens to you.”

—Missy Testerman

Season 9, Episode 7

Neurodiversity and the reading brain, with Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D.

Susan is joined by Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D., professor in the Department of Psychology at the University of Michigan, to give educators the perspective of a developmental cognitive neuroscientist on literacy development. Starting with the basics of cognitive science versus brain science, Ioulia gives a comprehensive overview into how the brain changes as children learn to read, including differences seen in neurodiverse students and multilingual/English learners. Ioulia then answers a question from our listener mailbag on neuroscience and dyslexia and how current research can inform teaching strategies. Ioulia ends with a rallying message that scientists, teachers, and children cannot stand alone and need to find ways to connect with each other to strengthen literacy as a whole.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D.

Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D.

Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D., is a professor of Psychology at the University of Michigan. She studies literacy development in children who speak English and other languages. As a developmental cognitive neuroscientist, she uses a child-friendly functional Near Infrared Spectroscopy (fNRS) brain-imaging method to examine how learning to read changes children’s language, cognition, and brain. These studies include research with typically developing readers and at-risk learners such as those with dyslexia and developmental language disorders (DLD). In her current research, Ioulia focuses on children learning to speak and read in English, Spanish, and Chinese. Through this work, she addresses the universal, language-specific, and bilingual influences on child reading development and dyslexia.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“When you begin to read, you really have to analyze everything in front of you. The letter, the shape of the letter, how it connects to the sound. And proficient readers just look at the whole thing and they grab it—and it's like they heard it. It is almost no difference. I speak; I read; it's a continuous stream of language and I just grab it.”

—Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D.

“We talked about languages being different. They're exercising slightly different muscles of your language system.”

—Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D.

“Science is informed by teachers and children. We're all together. I do not teach children. Teachers don't usually do science. But we have to find ways of connecting with each other.”

—Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D.

Season 9, Episode 6

Making high-quality text free and accessible, with Susanne Nobles

In this episode, Susan Lambert chats with ReadWorks Chief Academic Officer Susanne Nobles, Ph.D., to explore her organization's mission of making high-quality texts free and accessible to all. Together, they discuss ReadWorks’ Article-A-Day program, which offers articles to build students' knowledge and vocabulary while supporting teachers with resources that promote topical coherence. Susanne shares insights into why text quality matters, including that kids know when text isn’t worth their time and attention. She also details how ReadWorks ensures the quality of their materials, describes the Spanish-English texts they’ve introduced to support multilingual/English learners, and offers advice for listeners thinking about text quality and cohesion.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Susanne Nobles, Ph.D.

Susanne Nobles, Ph.D., has spent her career working to empower educators and students with research, structures, and tools for meaningful and effective learning. She is currently Chief Academic Officer at ReadWorks, an educational technology nonprofit, where she oversees research, pedagogy, and product. Before joining ReadWorks, she led the Digital Promise’s collaborative work with developers, researchers, and educators for the Learner Variability Project. Susanne is also an adjunct instructor at American University’s School of Education and Relay Graduate School of Education. She was a K–12 teacher and administrator for over 20 years, and her doctoral research focused on creating effective digital communities of practice to support student writing.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“It can be hard to remember that there’s a lot going into my reading today [that] I didn't have all along.”

—Susanne Nobles

“I have a fear that too much decoding practice can become ‘Why am I reading?’ We lose the ultimate point of why all of us read, which is to learn and to gain meaning.”

—Susanne Nobles

“Kids know when a text is worth their time.”

—Susanne Nobles

“We want to put a great book in a kid’s hands and have them get excited about reading and therefore get good at reading. And it really goes the other way. And so it’s once you build that ability to read, then that excitement comes with reading.”

—Susanne Nobles

Season 9, Episode 5

What makes a literate brain, with Lori Josephson

On this episode of the podcast, Lori Josephson joins Susan to talk about her new book Calling All Neurons! How Reading and Spelling Happen. Lori discusses her journey into literacy and how she saw the need for an accessible, digestible book about the brain science behind learning to read — one that would be enjoyable for adults and students alike. Lori explains what a neuron is and shows how understanding neural networks is essential to understanding learning to read. She also delves into the importance of getting everyone in a student’s life involved in their literacy development. Lori and Susan also answer some listener-submitted questions, prompting discussions on how to help older elementary students who lack foundational skills and advice for educators who work with students with significant cognitive disabilities.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Lori C. Josephson

Lori C. Josephson

Lori Josephson is an expert in dyslexia who is a Fellow of the Orton Gillingham Academy and holds a master’s degree in special education–learning disabilities. She has had the privilege of teaching hundreds of struggling students how to make sense of print and text. She has also had the honor of working with thousands of teachers, training them how to teach and reach their students using methods based upon the complex brain processes involved in attaining literacy—the body of knowledge now referred to as the Science of Reading.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“I firmly believe that no matter how old you are, you still need to learn the same information.”

—Lori Josephson

“In my mind, I use this equation. Knowledge equals motivation, equals active learning, equals resilience, equals success.”

—Lori Josephson

“Creating a literate brain is a team sport. Everyone needs to be involved. The parents, caregivers, teachers—they need to be engaged in an interactive way.”

—Lori Josephson

“Literacy is a civil right. It's also a gift. It's an opportunity to share thoughts, feelings with others that can be revisited and saved.”

—Lori Josephson

Season 9, Episode 4

Comprehension is not a skill, with Hugh Catts, Ph.D.

In this episode Susan Lambert is joined by Hugh Catts, Ph.D., professor at Florida State University, to break down what comprehension is and bust some myths about what it isn’t. With a family history of dyslexia, he has a personal connection to the topic that led him into research in language sciences and language disorders. He discusses how his findings moved him away from viewing comprehension as simply a “component of reading” but rather something entirely separate—a condition created over time, defined by purpose, and influenced by prior knowledge. Together, Susan and Hugh address many comprehension-related concepts, such as the Simple View of Reading, the five pillars of reading, and comprehension’s relationship to knowledge building. Hugh also gives listeners practical advice for helping students suss out their comprehension before reading, and he clarifies why understanding the standard of coherence is important.

Transcripts and additional resources:

Read:
Rethinking How to Promote Reading Comprehension by Hugh Catts
Read:
The Simple View of Reading: Advancements and False Impressions by Hugh Catts

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Hugh Catts, Ph.D.

Hugh Catts’s research interests include the early identification and prevention of reading disabilities. He is a former board member of the International Dyslexia Association and former president of the Society for the Scientific Study of Reading. He has received the Samuel T. Orton Award, the International Dyslexia Association’s highest honor, and the Honors of the Association Award from the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association, for his career contributions in these disciplines. His current research concerns the early identification of reading and language difficulties and the nature and assessment of reading comprehension problems.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“If you learn how to swim, you can swim in a lake, a pool, an ocean, whatever. But that's not the case for comprehension. You can't learn to comprehend and then take that out into different situations for different purposes. You can learn some things that will help you, but in general, it's the topic and purpose that are going to impact how well you understand something.”

–Hugh Catts, Ph.D.

“If I was going to define comprehension, it's not a single thing. I mean, that's the problem. We want it to be a single thing, but it depends upon what you're reading and why you're reading it.”

–Hugh Catts, Ph.D.

“What comprehension is is the interaction of what you bring into that reading situation and what you already know about it, and your motivation and purpose to comprehend it.”

–Hugh Catts, Ph.D.

“There's just not enough mental reserve to be able to build that meaning that quickly. So it helps tremendously that you have some knowledge about it beforehand. That knowledge gives you a place to put information. So when you read about something, it gives you storage for the information. It's kind of like a cubby hole that you put the mail in, in an office.”

–Hugh Catts, Ph.D.

Season 9, Episode 3

S9 E3: Know the non-negotiables in a program aligned to the Science of Reading, with Kari Kurto

On this episode, Kari Kurto, National Science of Reading Project Director at The Reading League, discusses The Reading League’s curriculum evaluation tool, which assesses a curriculum’s research-based practices. Kurto's conversation with Susan Lambert touches on her background teaching students with dyslexia, the non-negotiables in curriculum aligned to the Science of Reading, and how educators can use information about an evaluated curriculum to inform instruction. While Kurto stresses that no program is perfect, she and her colleagues have worked to equip educators with a tool to more easily and objectively access information when making curriculum choices.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Kari Kurto

Kari Kurto

Kari Kurto is the National Science of Reading Project Director at The Reading League. She directs all work related to The Reading League Compass, the Curriculum Evaluation Guidelines, and the Curriculum Navigation Reports. She also leads work to support multilingual and English learners and runs several communities of practice. Kari is a Path Forward advisory group member and has presented to schools, districts, professional organizations, and state education departments. She formerly worked as a literacy specialist at the Rhode Island Department of Education, leading statewide efforts to implement the Rhode Island Right to Read Act. Kari is an Orton Gillingham practitioner who worked at Middlebridge School in Narragansett, RI and Rawson Saunders School in Austin, TX. Before her career in education, Kari worked as a casting director in Los Angeles. She and her three wonderful children live in southern Rhode Island.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Throughout her career, she has focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“[On dyslexia instruction] It's instruction that we know that all students should have, because that's the instruction that is most aligned to the scientific evidence. But it's instruction that they need with multiple practice opportunities and multiple repetitions.”

—Kari Kurto

“Just because we have this report and we say, ‘All right, this curriculum has all the stuff,’ if you don't teach it, then you're a red flag of your own.”

—Kari Kurto

“Thank you to those folks who have been listening. Thank you to the folks who are curious about learning more, those who have spent years implementing and tweaking and improving literacy outcomes for our country's next generation. I mean, that's huge.”

—Kari Kurto

“It's a movement of improvement, right? We're constantly striving to improve. And don't give up. Share your stories; share your success stories.”

—Kari Kurto

Season 6, Episode 1

The other side of Scarborough’s Rope, with Margaret Goldberg

In our kick-off episode for season six, host Susan Lambert is joined by podcast alum Margaret Goldberg, the co-founder of the Right to Read Project.  They discuss the new, animated Science of Reading series Brain Builders, and how this free tool can be shared directly with students and their caregivers. Importantly, Margaret also elevates the need to focus on the comprehension strand of the Science of Reading.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Margaret Goldberg

Margaret Goldberg is a literacy coach in a large urban district in California. She’s held a variety of roles including district early literacy lead, site-based literacy coach, reading interventionist, and classroom teacher. In every role, she’s worked to help schools and districts align instruction with reading research. She is the co-founder of the Right to Read Project and her writing is published on The Right to Read Project blog and Reading Rockets.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“When was the last time in education anybody heard of de-implementation? All we do is pile one thing on top of another, on top of another…then we wonder why it didn't work.”

—Margaret Goldberg

“You have to distinguish between an initiative, something that is new, and culture, something that's part of what we do every day and that is embedded. That is more important.”

—Margaret Goldberg

“The problem is this. If you only look at the results, then you don't know what caused it. Somebody has to look at underlying causes.”

—Margaret Goldberg

“It's really important for administrators to say, 'Hey, I can deal with some chaos. I can deal with students making mistakes.' That's real learning.”

—Margaret Goldberg

Season 6, Episode 2

NAEP: What you’ve always wanted to know, with Chester Finn, Jr.

In this episode, we dive deep into the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), also known as the national report card. Chester Finn, Jr., author of the new book Assessing the Nation’s Report Card: Challenges and Choices for NAEP, joins Susan to discuss the NAEP assessment. Together, they unpack how it works, what it is and isn’t, and what benefits and opportunities it provides as the achievement gap continues to grow.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Chester Finn, Jr.

Scholar, educator and public servant Chester Finn, Jr. has devoted his career to improving education in the United States. A native of Ohio, he holds an undergraduate degree in U.S. history, a master’s degree in social studies teaching, and a doctorate in education policy, all from Harvard University. He is now distinguished senior fellow and president emeritus at Fordham University, and a senior fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution. Finn was Fordham’s president from 1997 to 2014, after many earlier roles in education, academia, and government. From 1999 until 2002, he was the John M. Olin Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and at Hudson Institute.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“For this to work, we need both great teachers and great curricula.”

—Chester Finn, Jr.

“The single most important thing NAEP cannot do [is that] it cannot in any definitive way explain why scores are what they are or are rising or falling.”

—Chester Finn, Jr.

Season 6, Episode 3

Focused implementation: Doing less to do more, with Dr. Doug Reeves

Educator, researcher, author, and leadership consultant Dr. Doug Reeves joins Susan to discuss his book Building to Impact. Together, they dive into what evidence-based implementation looks like, including the importance of de-implementation. Doug also provides advice on how to define success for your school, and the ways to make it happen by focusing on one thing at a time until it becomes part of your school’s culture.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Un retrato profesional de un hombre sonriente con traje y pajarita, rodeado por un gráfico que presenta un lápiz y un globo de diálogo con un corazón, que simboliza la implementación basada en evidencia.

Dr. Doug Reeves

Dr. Doug Reeves, Ph.D., is the author of more than 40 books and more than 100 articles on leadership and education. He has twice been named to the Harvard University Distinguished Authors Series and was named the Brock International Laureate for his contributions to education.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“When was the last time in education anybody heard of de-implementation? All we do is pile one thing on top of another, on top of another, and then we don't then, then we wonder why it didn't work.”

—Dr. Doug Reeves

“If you're not gonna have deep implementation, which requires a level of focus and allocation of time and resources, then don't bother.”

—Dr. Doug Reeves

“You have to have a singular focus and, and it's gotta be sustained year after year after year until it becomes part of your culture.”

—Dr. Doug Reeves

“You have to distinguish between an initiative, something that is new, and culture, something that's part of what we do every day and that is embedded. That is more important.”

—Dr. Doug Reeves

“The problem is this. If you only look at the results, then you don't know what caused it. Somebody has to look at underlying causes.”

—Dr. Doug Reeves

“It's really important for administrators to say, 'Hey, I can deal with some chaos. I can deal with students making mistakes.' That's real learning.”

—Dr. Doug Reeves

Season 6, Episode 4

From the community, for the community: Grassroots organizing, with Naomi Peña & Akeela Azcuy

Community and education activist Naomi Peña and clinical psychologist Dr. Akeela Azcuy knew that, as moms of struggling readers themselves, they had the opportunity to advocate for not only their own children but all children. These two leaders and changemakers founded Literacy Academy Collective with the goal of one day creating a stand-alone New York City public school devoted to educating children with language-based learning disabilities as well as struggling readers. In this episode, our guests share their own families’ experiences with dyslexia, how that impacted their activism, and how listeners at home can effect grassroots change in their own communities.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Naomi Peña

Naomi Peña is a community and education activist. She is currently president of New York City District 1, Community Education Council.

 

Akeela Azcuy

Akeela Azcuy has her doctorate in clinical psychology. She is also a board member for Dyslexia Alliance for Black Children and a trustee of the Winward School and Institute.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Leaders tend to forget that you get more out of parents if you collaborate with them, if you're honest.”

—Naomi Peña

“With the level and degree of training, understanding, and privilege that I had, it was still—and still continues to be—an overwhelming battle to get your child the services that they need.”

—Dr. Akeela Azcuy

Season 6, Episode 5

Leading with the head and the heart: Enacting lasting literacy change, with Mitchell Brookins

Equal parts educational leader, educator, and life-long learner of reading science, Mitchell Brookins has leveraged his passion and dedication to affect change in the lives of the students and teachers he works with, as well as the many educators he has inspired online. In this episode, he opens up about the emotional journey he took—from realizing everything he’d been doing wasn’t working and that he’d never actually learned how to teach kids to read, to seeking out reading research and encountering the Science of Reading—a path that brought unparalleled transformation and success to his schools. Mitchell talks about how he is still learning and keeping students at the forefront of what he does every day, ending on a powerful story of a student who changed his life forever.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Mitchell Brookins

Mitchell Brookins is a Director of Content with Leading Educators. At heart, he is a teacher first, and has spent years studying, exploring, and refining his practices to yield student learning. From his National Board Certification to studying as a doctoral student of Educational Administration, Brookins understands the interconnectedness between teaching and learning. He has been a teacher; district leader of RTI and literacy; school administrator; consultant with the National Board of Professional Teaching Standards; instructional coach with EdConnective; and professional development facilitator of ELA, math, and Leadership Institutes with UnboundEd.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“My calling is so that children can one day stand on their own without scaffolds, that children will one day reap the benefits that literacy is liberty, that children will one day be able to teach someone else the power that only literacy can bring.”

—Mitchell Brookins

Season 6, Episode 6

Leading Legislative Change, with State Senator Mimi Stewart

Mimi Stewart is a state senator from New Mexico and previously worked as a public school elementary special education teacher for thirty years, with an expertise in reading literacy. Her unique background has turned into a passion for and a history of championing educational policies as a legislator. This episode focuses on how state government and state legislation can work to improve literacy instruction. She takes us through the process of creating a piece of literacy legislation, New Mexico Senate Bill 398, which passed in 2019. Sen. Stewart also shares the latest that bill and talks about what she’s now focusing on from her place in the legislature—like changing that way we teach teachers from a university level.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Mimi Stewart

A former teacher, Mimi Stewart represents New Mexico’s 17th district in the state Senate. She’s spent the last eight years in the state Senate. Previously, she served 20 years in New Mexico’s House of Representatives. From 1995 to 2010, Stewart served in the House while also holding her job as a teacher. By trade, Sen. Stewart is a public school elementary special education teacher, with an expertise in teaching reading. She also taught other teachers how to teach reading using science for five years. In New Mexico’s Senate, Sen. Stewart sponsored New Mexico Senate Bill 398, which requires all first graders to have a simple dyslexia screener.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Think about how many young kids in school right now we are not reaching and that have that feeling that they're dumb and they can't get it. I had one kid say to me, 'Ms. Stewart, I think there's just a secret code.' And I said to him, 'You are right. There is a secret code. It's called the alphabetic code, and you can learn that easily."

—Mimi Stewart

Season 6, Episode 7

The how and why behind high-quality instructional materials, with Rebecca Kockler

As the former chief academic officer at the Louisiana Department of Education, Rebecca Kockler made it her mission to empower districts to select higher quality materials. This involved a thorough and rigorous curriculum review, and allowing teachers to choose the program they wanted once they knew exactly what they were getting. This work built Kockler’s case for focusing on quality curricula as a vital part of student success. Using Kockler’s work in Louisiana as a case study, this episode shows why state governments should focus on logistics, procurement, and equipping educators with the information they need to make the best decision for their students.

Meet Our Guest(s):

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Rebecca Kockler

Rebecca Kockler is program director of Reading Reimagined with AERDF and CEO and founder of Illuminate Literacy. She saw firsthand the reading potential of underestimated and overlooked populations such as students of color or students experiencing poverty and was motivated to act on behalf of them. Previously, she was assistant superintendent of academics at the Louisiana Department of Education, where she created a comprehensive, nationally recognized academic support model that gave teachers, principals, and districts the tools and supports necessary to align assessments, curriculum, and teacher evaluation for greater impact.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“It was really our teachers who led so much of the charge to say, ‘No, this is what we want. We believe kids should be held to high expectations. We believe they're capable, we believe they deserve it.’”

—Rebecca Kockler

Season 6, Episode 8

Love at the center of literacy, with Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson, Deputy Chief of Curriculum and Instruction in the School District of Philadelphia, has played an integral role leading and sustaining a transition to the Science of Reading in the Philadelphia public school district. But making such a change across a large district is difficult. In this episode, Dr. Francis-Thompson (who goes by Dr. Ny) talks with Susan about Philadelphia’s experience. She also talks about her own experience learning about the Science of Reading, and offers tips to other district-level leaders and wisdom about providing all students with the liberation that comes through reading and leading—all with love at the center.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Una mujer de cabello negro, con gafas con estampado de vaca, sonríe, rodeada de íconos estilizados de un lápiz y un corazón en un marco circular, que simboliza la alfabetización.

Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson is an education leader who advocates for students with diverse academic, social, emotional, and behavioral needs. She is Deputy Chief of Curriculum and Instruction in Philadelphia, where she leads the Curriculum Equity Initiative. She previously led the development of an instructional guide for supporting students with disabilities. Her dissertation on Multi-Tiered System of Supports implementation has a focus on evidence-based reading interventions. She approaches the Science of Reading conversation from an equity lens, focused on all students having access to culturally and linguistically inclusive instruction.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“I have never met a student that did not want to learn how to read or a family that did not understand the importance of their children knowing how to read.”

—Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

“We have to listen to our young people in order to be able to move with that sense of urgency.”

—Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

"Liberation is connected to our students being literate… In order for our students to truly be free, we [need to] understand the power that reading has in their future.”

—Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

“We have to remember who we are serving and why we are serving them.”

—Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

“A lot of times when you’re in a large system and you’re leading a large system, it can become very robotic, like a machine. You do this, you get this, you do this, you get this. But there’s a human aspect that if you have not considered that human aspect, you could very well end up in the same place that you’re trying to move away from.”

—Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

“And while it’s a five-year strategic plan, we do have a sense of urgency and I’m sure within that there are gonna be benchmarks and hundred-day plans and smaller plans to make sure that we are actually doubling down again on the things that truly matter, that are gonna lead, outcomes for our students here in the school district.”

—Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

“If we’re only in the business of educating some students, then what are we really doing? It’s important to look at the students that are not benefitting and really identifying the things that work for that population of students rather than continuing with practices that aren’t meeting the needs of the students we’re serving.”

—Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

Season 6, Episode 9

Lessons from a talking dog: TV’s “Reading Buddies” on making learning fun

In this episode, we take you behind the scenes of the smash hit foundational reading series The Reading League’s “Reading Buddies,” aimed at students in pre-K through third grade. Susan is joined by Andrea Dotto and Brendan Malafronte—artists, performers, and co-founders of children’s story hour and media company Dusty & Dott—as well as “Reading Buddies” executive producer Toni Ann Walsh. Together, the four of them discuss how the show started and how Andrea and Brendan got up to speed on the Science of Reading, and share tips for educators and caregivers on how to make reading instruction fun for kids.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Tres retratos en círculos: una mujer sonriente con cabello largo y castaño, un hombre sonriente con cabello corto y castaño y una mujer sonriente con cabello rubio, conectados por líneas que representan la liga de lectura.

Toni Ann Walsh

Toni Ann Walsh is executive producer of Reading Buddies.” She has 20 years in nonprofit management and is a 40 Under 40 Award recipient.

 

Andrea Dotto

Andrea Dotto is president of Dusty & Dott. She debuted in the Tony Award-winning show Bandstand, earning a Chita Rivera Award nomination for Outstanding Female Dancer. TV credits include the 71st Tony Award Show and “Good Morning America.”

Brendan Malafronte

Brendan Malafronte is co-creator of Dusty & Dott. He was a puppeteer on the International Tour of John Tartaglia’s Imaginocean, and performed in a tour of “Annie”.  He participated in the Sesame Workshop and puppeteered on Nickelodeon and in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Our mission is to educate educators on the Science of Reading because we believe that if educators have that knowledge, they can transform kids' lives.”

—Toni Ann Walsh

“Little by little you can learn to read, you can do something hard and we can do it together.”

—Andrea Dotto

“As a storyteller, I can go on a stage and tell a story and know, ‘Oh, that song made somebody connect to a memory,’ or ‘These two hours, they got to escape whatever is bothering them at home.’ That escapism is special and magical. But with reading buddies you get escapism and then you also get impact.”

—Andrea Dotto

“God bless teachers. They're incredible. And we are here to help you continue to be incredible. We're here to give you tools to excite your students and just complement everything that you are doing.”

—Brendan Malafronte

Summer '22 Rewind, Episode 12

Research, comprehension, and content-rich literacy instruction: Sonia Cabell

Join Sonia Cabell, associate professor at the School of Teacher Education at Florida State University, as she shares findings from her research trials on content-rich literacy curricula and discusses whether activating students’ background knowledge alongside explicit phonics instruction is more effective than the traditional approaches. She also describes what constitutes “compelling evidence” in the Science of Reading and explains why students need to interact with both written and spoken language while learning to read.

Season 6, Episode 10

The big win is just the beginning, with Dr. Jennifer Throndsen

With Utah’s recent passing of Senate Bill 127, a sweeping piece of literacy legislation, many are turning to the state as a model of what statewide implementation of the Science of Reading can look like. In this episode, Dr. Jennifer Throndsen, Director of Teaching and Learning at Utah State Board of Education, joins Susan to tell the story of how Senate Bill 127 came to be and how they are continuing to make changes in schools across Utah. Together, they discuss what the bill included, the opportunities and challenges the bill provides when it comes to implementation, and advice for other states looking to enact literacy legislation. Throndsen also discusses her experience as a teacher and her journey with the Science of Reading.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Una sonriente Dra. Jennifer Throndsen con cabello largo y castaño, fotografiada en un marco circular contra un fondo de pared de ladrillos, con elementos gráficos de un libro azul y una flecha naranja.

Dr. Jennifer Throndsen

Dr. Jennifer Throndsen is the Director of Teaching and Learning at the Utah State Board of Education. Throndsen takes pride in developing and designing policy, resources, and supports to help other educators serve students as best as possible. Prior to her current role, she worked as an elementary and middle school teacher, instructional coach, adjunct professor, and district specialist. She earned her doctorate in mathematics curriculum and instruction from Utah State University in 2018. In addition to her primary role, Jennifer has been recognized for her extraordinary commitment to early learning.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

"Our students are the state's greatest asset, and we need to invest in them with all the energy and knowledge we have to do our best to serve them with urgency, compassion, and high expectations."

—Dr. Jennifer Throndsen

"If kids can't read, that really keeps them from accessing other content areas like science, social studies, and being able to engage in story problems in mathematics."

—Dr. Jennifer Throndsen

"Being able to read is today's civil right's movement."

—Dr. Jennifer Throndsen

"With requirements comes resistance. No matter how great the opportunity is."

—Dr. Jennifer Throndsen

Summer '22 Rewind, Episode 11

The symbiotic relationship between literacy and science with Jacquey Barber

Jacquey Barber, director emerita of the Learning Design Group at UC Berkeley’s Lawrence Hall of Science, joins the podcast to discuss her research on the symbiotic relationship between literacy and science, as well as what educators should be looking for in high-quality, literacy-rich science curricula. She also goes into strategies for engaging students, including the Do, Talk, Read, Write. Visualize model, then ends the episode by highlighting the many ways science supports reading.

Season 6, Episode 11

What I should have learned in college, with Donna Hejtmanek

Throughout this season, we’ve explored different tiers of the education system. In this episode, we look at the role higher education plays in equipping teachers with the right training and tools. Our guest Donna Hejtmanek, a retired special education teacher and reading specialist, shares her disappointing first-hand experience of going back to school at the age of 58—an experience that made her realize many universities weren’t training educators in the Science of Reading. Donna tells Susan the story of how she came to create the incredibly popular Facebook group Science of Reading—What I Should Have Learned in College, and discusses what it will take to change higher education.

Meet Our Guest(s):

A senior woman with short gray hair and a blue blouse, smiling in a round frame with cartoon-style light bulb and quotation mark icons.

Donna Hejtmanek

Donna Hejtmanek spent 41 years serving as a reading specialist-interventionist and president of the Literacy Task Force of Northern Wisconsin. In 2014, Governor Walker appointed her to Wisconsin’s Read to Lead Literacy Council. She has also served as legislative chair of the International Dyslexia Association and on the Legislative Council Study Committee which produced and passed Wisconsin’s first dyslexia bill, signed in 2016. Now, she creates Science of Reading professional development for teachers on her Facebook group, Science of Reading—What I Should Have Learned in College.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“The door's been cracked. It has to happen and it has to happen by having relationships with people. You just can’t walk in and just say, you know, this is the way it needs to be done. It's a slow process.”

—Donna Hejtmanek

“If you're trained in a certain way, you're only exposing yourself to those researchers doing those things and that type of information. And so you don't know other sources of information of other researchers and what else might be going on.”

—Donna Hejtmanek

“Learning the Science of Reading is not a, ‘You get it in one day.’ It's not like that. It's a journey and it takes time to assimilate everything you read and then turning that into a practice and shifting the thinking of millions of people.”

—Donna Hejtmanek

“You get better and better at it the longer you do it. So if we just stay stagnant and are closed-minded to new things that are out there, then we can't grow.”

—Donna Hejtmanek

Season 6, Episode 12

Celebrating many meanings: Language comprehension and the importance of Black English, with Jasmine Rogers

While working with students, one educator came to a realization that put her on a path to fascinating research in the Science of Reading. In this episode, Jasmine Rogers—manager and coach with the In Schools program at the DC Reading Clinic and an early literacy intervention lead at American University—shares her story and delves into her research on dialects and best practices for structured literacy instruction. She discusses Black language and how it connects with the language comprehension strand of Scarborough’s Reading Rope. Jasmine also offers recommendations for classroom teachers who have bidialectal students.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Mujer sonriente con el pelo trenzado, enmarcada en un círculo, con iconos de un corazón y una bombilla cerca de su cabeza, sobre un fondo verde.

Jasmine Rogers

Jasmine Rogers is a manager and coach with the In Schools program at the DC Reading Clinic, serving the District of Columbia Public Schools. In this role, she manages professional development on structured literacy best practices. For nine years, she was an elementary teacher serving in kindergarten and special education as well as a reading specialist. She also mentored at the DC Reading Clinic in its 2019 inaugural cohort. She holds masters degrees in sports administration, elementary education, and special education. She is currently an early literacy intervention lead at American University, pursuing her doctorate in education policy and leadership.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“As a teacher, a Black woman, who speaks Black English, who knows the language, who is very well versed in structured literacy, if I overlooked this, if that caught me off guard a little bit, then that means that could potentially catch someone else off guard.”

—Jasmine Rogers

“With language comprehension, and considering in your native language, there may be a word that doesn’t necessarily match up with a language that you are learning in the classroom. So you have to then use your incredible cognitive skills that speak two completely different codes, comprehend what is happening, and then tie that back into, of course, the Rope to become a fluent reader.”

—Jasmine Rogers

“I consider Black English to be a very complex and complicated language…but I think typically in society it has been viewed very negatively. You can see in the media and in research where people have talked about it and used negative connotations. And I think those beliefs from society have seeped into the classroom.”

—Jasmine Rogers

“A strength of children that are bidialectal is the similar strength to students that are bilingual—they have an ability to take language that is different from theirs and translate it. That right there is an asset.”

—Jasmine Rogers

“The languages that we speak and bring from home also are not wrong. They’re simply different. And we’re gonna work together so that we take what we know differently and come together with a common language so that we’re communicating with one another.”

—Jasmine Rogers

“We have got to give our students access to this code so that they can become literate and run our society one day.”

—Jasmine Rogers

Season 6, Episode 13

From education outsider to literacy expert, with Todd Collins

Todd Collins went from education outsider to literacy expert when he joined his local school board after a career in finance and technology. When Todd saw the literacy assessment numbers, his data-driven mind said “this isn’t good enough” and got to work. Todd went on to organize the California Reading Coalition, a movement of educators, advocates, parents, and policymakers committed to improving reading instruction and outcomes for California’s six million students. In this episode, he joins Susan Lambert to discuss what it really takes to make effective change; the importance of clear, ambitious goals and strong leadership in schools; and which numbers within literacy data are most important to focus on.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Retrato de Todd Collins, un alfabetizador de mediana edad con cabello gris, gafas y chaqueta marrón, sonriendo sobre un fondo verde difuminado, con un gráfico azul decorativo en la parte inferior.

Todd Collins

Todd Collins is an organizer of the California Reading Coalition, a movement of educators, advocates, parents, and policymakers committed to improving school instruction and outcomes for California’s six million students. He is also a school board member in Palo Alto, California. After a career in technology and finance, his primary focus is on supporting and improving California public education.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“We have to help everybody kind of collectively align our voices and help people who wanna find out more about this, find out more about it.”

—Todd Collins

“If the pieces of the system aren't all working together, then you just don't achieve sustained change.”

—Todd Collins

“Leaders have a critical function. They communicate to everybody in a state or in an organization what's important. You don't have to tell 'em what to do, but you need to tell 'em what the goal is.”

—Todd Collins

“Teachers aren't the problem. Teachers are the solution.”

—Todd Collins

“We simply can't call ourselves a great school district unless we get great results for our most challenged and least resourced students.”

—Todd Collins

“It's not a new thing to be concerned about the low achievement among low-income students but it's a relatively new thing to do something about it.”

—Todd Collins

Episode 13: Science of Reading special episode: Remote learning

We’ve been thinking a lot about you—and our hearts go out to you during this confusing and uncertain time. Helping our students continue to learn in this unusual and unsettling situation is not easy. And here at Science of Reading: The Podcast, we want to do what we can to support you.

Episode 12: Neuroscience and early literacy with Dr. Bruce McCandliss

Susan and Dr. Bruce McCandliss, professor in the Graduate School of Education at Stanford University, chat about combining neuroscience with education. How does neuroscience help us understand the changes going on in the brain of a child learning to read? Why do some children struggle so profoundly? He shares his research into focusing students’ attention on letters and sounds versus on whole words.

Episode 11: The Science of Reading in middle school with Jasmine Lane

Jasmine Lane, a high school English teacher, discusses the importance of equity and education and the disconnect between how teachers feel and what they need to do to push education forward for all students, regardless of their background. She also shares how education has changed her life, how her students have been impacted by their early literacy teachers, and how high schoolers fill in the gaps for things they missed early on.

Episode 10: Myths and misconceptions about universal screening with Nancy Nelson

Dr. Nancy Nelson, research assistant professor at the Center on Teaching and Learning at the University of Oregon, discusses myths and misconceptions around RTI, Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS), and universal screening in reading instruction.

Episode 9: The cognitive science behind how students learn to read with Carolyn Strom

Carolyn Strom, professor of early childhood literacy and innovation at New York University, discusses her research and interviews with pre-school teachers and how students learn to read, as well as her view on the Science of Reading and the cognitive science behind it all. She shares her insights on the importance of neuroscience and culturally responsive teaching, and dives into Linnea Ehri’s four phases of learning how to read.

Episode 8: Evidence-based literacy practice in the classroom with Tim Shanahan

Literacy expert and author Tim Shanahan discusses his views on teaching reading in middle school as an extension of evidence-based early literacy practices. What are some of the challenges and what should reading instruction include? Tim and host Susan Lambert dive into the many ways to boost comprehension; discuss how the English language is always changing; and explain how to structure reading instruction across content areas such as history, science, and math so students are equipped to comprehend those texts as well.

Episode 7: The missing link in reading comprehension with Anne Lucas

What is the missing link in reading comprehension? Anne Lucas, former curriculum director and current product manager of Amplify Reading, discusses the multifaceted nature of comprehension and why it’s so difficult to teach, shares a teacher’s powerful “eureka! moment,” and explains the specific sentence-level skills that improve overall comprehension.

Episode 6: The facts and myths of dyslexia with Emily Lutrick

Emily Lutrick, a PreK–5 curriculum and dyslexia coordinator with almost 20 years of experience in education, examines the facts and fictions of dyslexia. She discusses how early is too early to screen for dyslexia, and how to identify the signs and risk factors. Then, Susan and Emily explore how dyslexia relates to the Science of Reading and what educators and parents can do to help students after school.

Episode 5: Connecting confidence in school and literacy development with Lois Letchford

Lois Letchford, author of Reversed: A Memoir, shares her personal accounts of her son’s struggle with learning how to read, as well as her own when she was in school with dyslexia. After being told by a teacher that her son was “the worst child [she’s] ever seen in [her] 25 years of teaching,” Lois persisted to help her son—and even began writing poems to pique his interest in reading. What is he doing now? Was she successful?

Episode 4: The importance of fluency instruction with Tim Rasinski

Susan and Tim Rasinski, author of The Megabook of Fluency: Strategies and Texts to Engage All Readers, discuss Tim’s work at the reading clinic at Kent State University, the aspects of good fluency instruction, what constitutes fluency, and how reading speed is correlated to word recognition and automaticity. Tim stresses the importance of fluency and finding ways to be artful while teaching reading.

Episode 3: Reporting on education and the Science of Reading with Emily Hanford

Susan sits down with education reporter and host of the Education Post podcast Emily Hanford to discuss her takeaways from reporting on dyslexia and the patterns that emerged in her investigation; the Science of Reading, and why schools don’t align with it more; theories of how reading works; and the evolution of balanced literacy, phonics, and whole-language instruction.

Episode 2: Background knowledge and education reform with Robert Pondiscio

Robert shares his inspirations and emphasizes the need to acknowledge the different places and backgrounds that students come to school from, and how this affects their language trajectory. Susan and Robert also discuss the latest in education reform, as well as the knowledge gap, how it’s only going to get larger as kids move through grades, the limited time we have to correct it, and how to start doing so.

Season 7, Episode 1

Navigating the noise, with Claude Goldenberg

Claude “Skeptic” Goldenberg, professor of education at Stanford, rejoins Susan Lambert to kick off season 7 of the podcast—all centered around tackling the hard stuff. In this week’s episode, Claude and Susan take on the topic of what is actually true when it comes to the Science of Reading and how to navigate the noise to find it! Together they discuss the opportunities and challenges of social media, “the importance of limitations of foundational skills,” and striving to maintain hope even when the journey toward success gets overwhelming.

Meet Our Guest(s):

Hombre de mediana edad con barba sonriendo en un marco redondo, resaltado por un gráfico de una mano blanca y una flecha naranja apuntándolo para un podcast sobre la ciencia de la lectura.

Claude Goldenberg

Claude Goldenberg is the Nomellini & Olivier Professor of Education, emeritus, Graduate School of Education at Stanford University. He received his A.B. in history from Princeton University and M.A. and Ph.D. from the Graduate School of Education at UCLA. He has taught junior high school in San Antonio, TX, and first grade in a bilingual elementary school in Los Angeles. A native of Argentina, his areas of research centered on promoting academic achievement among language minority students, particularly those from Spanish-speaking backgrounds. He currently works on promoting research, policy, and practices to enhance literacy and academic development among students not yet proficient in English.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

"You can think of literacy as a structure, as something that gets constructed in your mind."

—Claude Goldenberg

Episode 26: The basic science in reading instruction with Daniel Willingham

Author and University of Virginia psychology professor Daniel Willingham discusses the “reading wars” (and mischaracterizations among their factions), the importance of understanding basic science to teach reading, and the variations in implementation of the Science of Reading in literacy instruction across districts.

Episode 25: Aligning digital learning and the Science of Reading with Doug Lemov

Doug Lemov, author and managing director of Uncommon Schools, discusses the role of technology in the classroom and remote instruction, how educators should reconsider how they approach literacy, and his experience reconstructing a reading curriculum for this next phase of digital learning while holding true to the values of the Science of Reading.

Episode 24: The silent crisis with Shawn Joseph

Educator, author, and leader Shawn Joseph shares his passion for social justice and discusses his work advocating for equity in education, shedding light on what he calls the silent crisis in literacy instruction. In this episode, you’ll hear about his experience as a former superintendent of several large urban districts and learn how he fostered achievement in all of his students.

Episode 23: Improving dual language instruction with Elizabeth Jiménez Salinas

Multilingual author and expert Elizabeth Jiménez Salinas and host Susan Lambert discuss advocating for underrepresented English learners (EL), improving dual language instruction, and learned passivity. Elizabeth shares tips for EL students during this time and reinforces the importance of home connection and language development.

Episode 22: Success using the Science of Reading with Mary Clayman

Susan Lambert is joined by Mary Clayman, director of the District of Columbia Reading Clinic, who shares her experience founding one of the first graduate clinical practicums sponsored by a public school system, discusses how it influenced the training of DCPS teachers, and celebrates the success of students in early literacy using the Science of Reading.

Episode 21: The symbiotic relationship between literacy and science with Jacquey Barber

Jacquey Barber, director of design & development at UC Berkeley’s Lawrence Hall of Science, discusses her research on the symbiotic relationship between literacy and science and what educators should be looking for in high-quality, literacy-rich science curricula.